(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[4500]OT[20/300 Canadian]
GN[Messeturnier in Hannover, 2. Runde]PW[Jin Zou]PB[Christian Stodte]WR[6d]BR[4d]DT[2008-04-19]EV[48. internationales Messeturnier in Hannover, 19. - 20. April 2008]RO[2, Board 1]PC[Hannover, Germany, (http://www.hannover-go.de)]US[T. Arndt (Jigo)]
;B[dp]
;W[pd]C[Tsche [3d\]: schoen 
Hannover08 [-\]: viel spass
]
;B[cd]C[romain [2d\]: hi, what event is this?
]
(;W[pp]
;B[ec]C[Hannover08 [-\]: see my info
romain [2d\]: ok
]
;W[cj]
;B[ch]
;W[cm])
(;W[pq]
;B[ec]
;W[cj]
;B[ch]
;W[cm]
;B[gq]
;W[bp]
;B[cq]
;W[jc]
;B[qf]
;W[nd]
;B[rd]
;W[qg]C[Tsche [3d\]: q13 
Sponge7 [2d\]: are these guys playing go?
kairos [-\]: srcabble?
romain [2d\]: i thins no, the retransmission is just to make you believe, but in fact they gone emptying beers
Hannover08 [-\]: no weiqi^^
romain [2d\]: *think
Sponge7 [2d\]: alright
Marcel777 [8k\]: wird immer nur das erste brett übertragen?
romain [2d\]: i did not think about this attach with high 06 extension
romain [2d\]: O-6
Hannover08 [-\]: ja, das 1. nur
romain [2d\]: O-16
Tsche [3d\]: q13 ist joseki
romain [2d\]: r13 you mean,
romain [2d\]: ?
romain [2d\]: or q13 black?
Tsche [3d\]: for black
romain [2d\]: ok
romain [2d\]: why not climbing once at q14 then san san?
bubba [5d\]: q14 s14 bad shape
romain [2d\]: ok
Tsche [3d\]: too heavy
romain [2d\]: so hane from below?
Tsche [3d\]: q14 too heavy
yithril [2d\]: warum ist Jin mit einem 4d spielen, gibt es gar kein 6d's die gegen ihn kaempfen kann?
bubba [5d\]: or on top
Hannover08 [-\]: die spannenden partien kommen whl erst morgen
yithril [2d\]: ok
romain [2d\]: yes, i usually hane on top but as tsche was saying not joseki, was trying to find another idea
Hannover08 [-\]: (paarungstaktik^^)
Tsche [3d\]: unter teilnehmer gibt es wenige 5-6dan spieler
yithril [2d\]: dann muss ich nicht hastig sein :)
Tsche [3d\]: hab auch gegen christian gespielt 6mal verloren und einmal gewonnen mein ergebnis
romain [2d\]: ok i'll go buy bread honey and cigarettes, come back and they'll be on next move
Tsche [3d\]: christian spielt sehr solide
]
;B[pg]
;W[qh]C[Hannover08 [-\]: w plays very fast
]
;B[ph]
;W[rf]
;B[qe]
;W[qi]
;B[pi]
;W[qj]
;B[qc]
;W[pc]
;B[re]
;W[pj]C[sentience [-\]: well it's just joseki till now
Tsche [3d\]: m4 oder naehe
]
;B[of]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: wow adrian ernst hat sich als 3d angemeldet
Tsche [3d\]: unnoetige zug
Hannover08 [-\]: wirklich tsche?
jjermann [2k\]: silver2k4: ist das "zu gut" oder "zu schlecht"?
silver2k4 [5d?\]: es ist mutig
Hannover08 [-\]: ja, mutig ist wohl das richtige wort
]
;W[pn]C[Tsche [3d\]: w in fuehrung weil s p14 gespielt hat
]
;B[dk]
;W[ck]
;B[lc]C[jjermann [2k\]: hmm nun ist P14 wichtig ^^
jjermann [2k\]: konsistente spielweise
Tsche [3d\]: diese invasion ist verboten normalerweise
jjermann [2k\]: hmm warum?
]
;W[ld]
;B[md]C[Tsche [3d\]: sowieso w kein gebiet sie einladet einfluss
jjermann [2k\]: ah aber die invasion funktionert?
Tsche [3d\]: muss kosten
jjermann [2k\]: weiss verbindet nun unten?
Tsche [3d\]: sicher
Hannover08 [-\]: (w denkt über unten rechts nach)
Tsche [3d\]: n14 l16 einfach
Tsche [3d\]: w muss oben  blockieren 
miao [7d\]: silver ich hab ihm gesagt er kanns mal versuchen
silver2k4 [5d?\]: ach du hast ihm mut zugesprochen :) nett
Tsche [3d\]: ich denke diese invasion ist zu frueh weil unnoetige kampf ist
silver2k4 [5d?\]: s will ja einen vorteilhaften abtausch erzielen, sonst is d9 aji keshi
]
;W[mc]C[Tsche [3d\]: wenn hier s nachhand nimmt diese invasion schlecht urteilt
]
;B[me]
;W[lb]
;B[nc]C[Tsche [3d\]: oo w fehler
]
;W[mb]C[Hannover08 [-\]: denkt w wohl jetzt auch
]
;B[od]
;W[nb]
;B[ne]
;W[iq]C[romain [2d\]: hehe white got sente to put presure on bottom left :)
romain [2d\]: and develop bottom
Tsche [3d\]:  s muss weit sehen sonst spilet immer klein
silver2k4 [5d?\]: sente war wesentlich größer als das oben
Tsche [3d\]: klar
]
;B[kq]C[oonicks [?\]: m3
GlebD [1d\]: läuft das spiel gerade ?
silver2k4 [5d?\]: ja
Hannover08 [-\]: ja
Tsche [3d\]: jetzt 2. kampf
silver2k4 [5d?\]: die d4 formation erscheint mir stärker als wenn  g3 auf f3 ist.. ich bin auf w's angriff gespannt
Tsche [3d\]: fuer mich j3 zu gierlich 
]
;W[gr]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: o15... war ja mini
]
;B[fr]C[Tsche [3d\]: nun b pass auf w macht trick
rretzbach: Was für ein Trick?
Tsche [3d\]: g2
jjermann [2k\]: wie funktioniert der?
]
;W[jp]C[Tsche [3d\]: glaub nicht 
rretzbach: :)
]
;B[nq]C[jjermann [2k\]: "wie" meine ich ^^
Tsche [3d\]: s muss
Tsche [3d\]: auf mitte laufen
]
;W[kp]
;B[lp]
;W[lo]C[PhiEQ8x4 [10k\]: gibt es ein zeitlimit?
Tsche [3d\]: o3 ist fehler
Hannover08 [-\]: für zeitlimit siehe regeln
Hannover08 [-\]: beide haben noch 57 minuten
]
;B[lq]
;W[or]C[Tsche [3d\]: schlecht
]
;B[mo]
;W[ln]
;B[hr]C[Tsche [3d\]: j2  
melmak: bad j2
melmak: o6 better
Tsche [3d\]: coz b not alive
]
;W[ir]C[Tsche [3d\]: ^^
]
;B[mn]
;W[mm]
;B[oo]
;W[po]C[romain [2d\]: j2 was greedy imho
]
;B[lm]C[romain [2d\]: b not alive, but if you allow him connect low exchanging two moves in a row, what is the problem?
TonyTiger [3d\]: Hangover08 ??? What is this tournament?
melmak: would be no problem
romain [2d\]: well dont know
romain [2d\]: too weak to know :S
Tsche [3d\]: m7 overplay 
melmak: only move
jjermann [2k\]: hmm why?
jjermann [2k\]: b is alive in one move right?
Tsche [3d\]: s noch angreifbar
Hannover1: Hannover, capital of Lower Saxony, in Germany.
rCr [4k\]: question was what not where ; )
Tsche [3d\]: k6 first and wait
Hannover08 [-\]: the yearly open tournament of hannover
romain [2d\]: but i wondered where was hannover :)
ToStrong4u [-\]: switzerland i think
romain [2d\]: lol tostrong$
jjermann [2k\]: no
romain [2d\]: "Hannover1: Hannover, capital of Lower Saxony, in Germany."
romain [2d\]: notice the word "Germany"
]
;W[km]C[PhiEQ8x4 [10k\]: :)
romain [2d\]: arg!
]
;B[ll]C[ToStrong4u [-\]: oh
ToStrong4u [-\]: ok
romain [2d\]: why atari!
MyEyes [1d\]: @Hannover-guys: what's suyangs score?
]
;W[hq]C[Tsche [3d\]: ?
rretzbach: haha, Hannover-guys :D
melmak: b happy about atari
romain [2d\]: yes, think so too...
Hannover1: Suyang won the first round.
Tsche [3d\]: nicht antworten lieber o8
silver2k4 [5d?\]: hm
]
;B[gs]C[jjermann [2k\]: da muss s doch fast antworten
MyEyes [1d\]: against whom?
jjermann [2k\]: w ist ja noch nicht lebendig
Tsche [3d\]: s fast tot
silver2k4 [5d?\]: s will also einfach leben
romain [2d\]: what's "s"?
jjermann [2k\]: black
silver2k4 [5d?\]: s = b
romain [2d\]: ok
romain [2d\]: so s = b = n ^^
silver2k4 [5d?\]: yea
romain [2d\]: how do you say white and black in german?
jjermann [2k\]: s kann ohne probleme leben denke ich ma
MyEyes [1d\]: weiss und schwarz
romain [2d\]: ok, thx :)
jjermann [2k\]: aber das ist ja nicht genug ^^
romain [2d\]: my daily language lesson :)
MyEyes [1d\]: @jjermann leven ohne probleme geht nie :D
MyEyes [1d\]: *leben
Hannover08 [-\]: Vladimir Danek 5d hat eben gegen Zhang Yi 3d and Brett 2 gewonnen
jjermann [2k\]: wenn das einzige ziel leben ist?
silver2k4 [5d?\]: leben ist nicht genug? wie meinst du das?
rretzbach: romain, you're better off learning how to swear in german
jjermann [2k\]: beispiel
Hannover1: Kai Meemken, 3d
jjermann [2k\]: s darf M8 nicht aufgeben ^^
Tsche [3d\]: l8 
]
;W[nm]
;B[jr]C[GlebD [1d\]: welcher yi 3d ? 
silver2k4 [5d?\]: wieso sollte s m8 aufgeben?
Hannover08 [-\]: Yi aus Hamburg
GlebD [1d\]: achso 
]
;W[kl]C[jjermann [2k\]: um zu leben vielleicht?
jjermann [2k\]: z.B. jetzt
jjermann [2k\]: koennte s leben
jjermann [2k\]: aber das ist nicht genug
silver2k4 [5d?\]: lebt doch schon
Tsche [3d\]: ja ja
jjermann [2k\]: ok dann ist es halt schon lebendig (aber dafuer "kompliziert" lebendig
MyEyes [1d\]: ...
silver2k4 [5d?\]: :)
Marcel777 [8k\]: ist adrian schon das 2. spiel fertig?
silver2k4 [5d?\]: s sollte mal ein paar punkte machen
melmak: b should have taken l 8 himself instead k2
silver2k4 [5d?\]: wie steht adrian?
jjermann [2k\]: H17?
Tsche [3d\]: aber diser abschnitt auf M7 macht ihm schwierig
Hannover08 [-\]: (ich kann von hier nicht sehen, wie es für adrian steht)
]
;B[lk]
;W[kk]C[romain [2d\]: melmak, but does not black have problems with life after it?
Marcel777 [8k\]: ok
]
;B[lj]C[stravinsky [6k\]: whats that language?
]
;W[kj]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: beauftage jemand anderes da mal nachzuschauen? :)
rretzbach: english
stravinsky [6k\]: no
melmak: very bad for b nowa
jjermann [2k\]: L6?
Tsche [3d\]: ein gute schlagwort von go man darf nicht naehe von eigene schwache gruppe nicht kaempfen
stravinsky [6k\]: germany?
stravinsky [6k\]: or french?
rretzbach: ...
silver2k4 [5d?\]: germany
romain [2d\]: russian ^^
stravinsky [6k\]: ok thx
Kour [9k\]: germany is not a language, but yes, it is german
]
;B[nk]C[stravinsky [6k\]: russian i know the cyrillic
rretzbach: french features a lot more fancy letters
silver2k4 [5d?\]: w has nearly no weaknesses
Tsche [3d\]: proviere c15
silver2k4 [5d?\]: german has äöü fancy letters
]
;W[is]C[bubba [5d\]: the first M17 invasion looked a little early
romain [2d\]: ans ß
romain [2d\]: and ß
]
;B[nr]C[MyEyes [1d\]: ko?
rretzbach: french has çœà...
romain [2d\]: and ricard too
silver2k4 [5d?\]: m17 was early, yes. but main problem was gote
]
;W[on]C[romain [2d\]: yes silver
stravinsky [6k\]: is this game live?
Hannover08 [-\]: yes
stravinsky [6k\]: or just a review
]
;B[np]C[stravinsky [6k\]: thx
Hannover08 [-\]: ...and all moves are nearly real time^^
rretzbach: Thanks for the efforts :)
]
;W[jq]C[melmak: b hopeless now
]
;B[kr]C[romain [2d\]: hopeless?
stravinsky [6k\]: y?
Tsche [3d\]: c15 groesste
romain [2d\]: but he has still potential at top left?
Uberdude [1d\]: is su yang playing in this tournament?
Sponge7 [2d\]: l11
MyEyes [1d\]: yes he is andrew :D
melmak: less thickness and less secure land
stravinsky [6k\]: p3 fro b?
stravinsky [6k\]: for*
MatchFree [-\]: yeah gameover for black.. unless white makes a stupid mistake
romain [2d\]: sure
stravinsky [6k\]: black alive
MyEyes [1d\]: I doubt Zou-Jin will do that
MyEyes [1d\]: at leat he is winner of the german championship :D
MatchFree [-\]: aha
PlumeMoi [1k\]: o1
silver2k4 [5d?\]: w has no weakness anywhere
MatchFree [-\]: doesnt sound hardcore german though
romain [2d\]: b16 ?
Hannover08 [-\]: yes Zou Jin is he german master
]
;W[ei]
;B[bn]
;W[co]C[Uberdude [1d\]: well, w has b6 weakness
Uberdude [1d\]: hehe
]
;B[cn]C[Sponge7 [2d\]: not really
silver2k4 [5d?\]: well.. no
Uberdude [1d\]: but w has a plan
]
;W[dn]C[melmak: both run out b dies
Uberdude [1d\]: hmm i thought w might d5 
GlebD [1d\]: b5 for b ?
]
;B[do]C[Tsche [3d\]: cut and think
Tsche [3d\]: E6
iPwnNoobs [3k\]: no b5?
Tsche [3d\]: e6 big
MatchFree [-\]: b5 does not work
stravinsky [6k\]: w want middle
silver2k4 [5d?\]: w is going to use his wall
MatchFree [-\]: b5 d7 e6 c8 b7 b8 a6 d10 
melmak: e6 out of question after d6 
iPwnNoobs [3k\]: thanks match
stravinsky [6k\]: tesuji?
]
;W[dm]
;B[bm]C[stravinsky [6k\]: w take center
]
;W[bl]
;B[bo]C[Uberdude [1d\]: i wonder if e11 at b3 was bigger
silver2k4 [5d?\]: never
]
;W[go]C[rretzbach: Muss man bei solchen Turnieren als Zuschauer bezahlen?
Hannover08 [-\]: nö
]
;B[en]C[MatchFree [-\]: e11 is the point of two moyo
MatchFree [-\]: white can invade now
Uberdude [1d\]: moyo schmoyo :p
Tsche [3d\]: kapput
Uberdude [1d\]: territory is where it's at :p
MatchFree [-\]: so the profit black made in the lower corner, he will lose in th upper
Uberdude [1d\]: f6 i suppose
]
;W[cf]
;B[dg]
;W[cc]C[Uberdude [1d\]: i'm not sure he could make so huge upper anyway
Uberdude [1d\]: if e11 is b3
MiloGe [18k\]: B17??
Uberdude [1d\]: b e12 next?
]
;B[dd]
;W[bd]
;B[be]C[Tsche [3d\]: corner ko?
Uberdude [1d\]: kokomo
romain [2d\]: it s alive isnt it?
romain [2d\]: b17 c15 d18 e18 c19 ?
romain [2d\]: gote but???
]
;W[bc]
;B[ce]
;W[bf]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: but?
romain [2d\]: haha, but black totally destroyed potential :)
]
;B[df]C[Uberdude [1d\]: that corner shape is not alive
romain [2d\]: it meant for me "gote, but what is the problem with it in the excahnge"
MatchFree [-\]: w messing up?
]
;W[db]C[romain [2d\]: uber, no, w need to d18 
]
;B[eb]C[romain [2d\]: now alive after c19 
MiloGe [18k\]: now its alive
Iink [-\]: there u go =\]
theolddan [2d\]: ko
silver2k4 [5d?\]: even 18k sees it
]
;W[ba]C[MiloGe [18k\]: ^^
]
;B[em]C[romain [2d\]: but preparing b12 yose before is no problem :)
]
;W[el]C[romain [2d\]: oh, is b19 less aji than c19 ?
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: is jeffchang's game being broadcast anywhere? or is he not playing in this round?
romain [2d\]: less ko threat maybe?
]
;B[dl]
;W[cl]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: maybe g5 e6 exchange wasnt good if w tenuki
]
;B[ek]
;W[fl]
;B[fk]
;W[eo]
;B[fo]
;W[fn]C[Tsumi [7d\]: c19 has bad aji
]
;B[ep]C[stravinsky [6k\]: o2  group ko?
]
;W[fm]C[romain [2d\]: wow
]
;B[eo]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: uh whats that
romain [2d\]: this was kind of magic ^^
silver2k4 [5d?\]: b is going to give w what he wants
Cassis0 [3d\]: b panicking
Tsche [3d\]: s will gewinnen
romain [2d\]: look-somewhere-else-while-i-replace-stones tesuji
romain [2d\]: nice one to master
MiloGe [18k\]: welchen rang hat S??
silver2k4 [5d?\]: look at the players names
Skadi [1k?\]: wer lesen kann ist klar im vorteil
MiloGe [18k\]: ok
stravinsky [6k\]: urdu language?
rretzbach: Da gibt sich der Herr Hannover08 so viel Mühe :)
Hannover08 [-\]: genau
silver2k4 [5d?\]: jetzt kann sich w genügend zeit nehmen die variationen zu lesen. der folgende zug siegt
yuipo [10k\]: e 11 looks weak now
silver2k4 [5d?\]: i think its e9 what's weak no? :)
MyEyes [1d\]: naja silver, eigentlich haben schon ne menge züge hiervor zu bs sieg geführt
Uberdude [1d\]: g9 looks obvious
Tsche [3d\]: w in not^^
Uberdude [1d\]: w thinks about g11 or something?
Cassis0 [3d\]: g9 is obvious??? 
Uberdude [1d\]: but g9 shape prevents the cut for now as b libs low
MyEyes [1d\]: I think g9 would be a mistake
melmak: b no terretory
silver2k4 [5d?\]: g9 g10 
MyEyes [1d\]: because that would be attacking from your strong side
Cassis0 [3d\]: g9 would push black on wrong direction 
Cassis0 [3d\]: I prefer g11
MyEyes [1d\]: me as well
theolddan [2d\]: or c11 
Uberdude [1d\]: g11 is better sure but more reading
Uberdude [1d\]: to see if it works
MyEyes [1d\]: attacking from the side of your thickness seems wrong to mee
theolddan [2d\]: c11 has b12 as followup
romain [2d\]: g9  dangerous for c8 
Tsche [3d\]:  s muss zaehne zusammenbeissen 
theolddan [2d\]: then living at the bottom or atari at d12
Javaness [-\]: h7
Tsche [3d\]: beste chance 
]
;W[gi]C[oonicks [?\]: g10?
silver2k4 [5d?\]: g11 wins
silver2k4 [5d?\]: says jin zou
rretzbach: :)
]
;B[gl]
;W[hm]C[Tsche [3d\]: o nein
romain [2d\]: hum
romain [2d\]: seems dangerous 
Tsche [3d\]: g9 viel besser
silver2k4 [5d?\]: g9 g10 und dann?
]
;B[gj]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: achso du meinst schwarz?
]
;W[ci]C[romain [2d\]: hum ok
romain [2d\]: needed
]
;B[hi]C[Uberdude [1d\]: so as w runs he hrts d14 group
]
;W[gh]
;B[hl]C[romain [2d\]: true
Uberdude [1d\]: and one b group should die
romain [2d\]: both is better :D
Hannover08 [-\]: b lächelt zufrieden^^
Tsche [3d\]: w braucht nicht antworten b12 dringend
Uberdude [1d\]: this is not so sente
Uberdude [1d\]: w could try j13
silver2k4 [5d?\]: w do not need to kill, i think he is better on territory
romain [2d\]: j13 miss power
Tsche [3d\]: oder m11 auch attraktiv
theolddan [2d\]: b12 jetzt
theolddan [2d\]: verhindert dinge wie e12 von s
oonicks [?\]: g17
romain [2d\]: well j7 might be needed first
silver2k4 [5d?\]: e12 soll was machen?
Tsche [3d\]: achso h6 funktioniert?
theolddan [2d\]: e12 schneidet ueber ko
Skadi [1k?\]: nicht mit f10?
Woodstock [-\]: nö
]
;W[im]C[Woodstock [-\]: E12 - F10
romain [2d\]: hehe
Tsche [3d\]: tja
theolddan [2d\]: na gut ....
theolddan [2d\]: gebe mich geschlagen
Hannover08 [-\]: Adrian Ernst spielt z.Zt. scheinbar ausgeglichen gegen Michael Terwey (beide 3d)
Tsche [3d\]: huh schwierig schwierig drei schwche gruppe durcheinander
silver2k4 [5d?\]: ach gegen matter
silver2k4 [5d?\]: e17 scheint nicht allzuschwach
Hannover08 [-\]: sorry, Adrian gegen Matthias Terwey
rayen [1d\]: interesting game
PhiEQ8x4 [10k\]: dafür E9 umso mehr
silver2k4 [5d?\]: wann is die nächste runde angesetzt?
]
;B[ih]C[Hannover08 [-\]: 18:15 ca.
silver2k4 [5d?\]: thx
romain [2d\]: vital point for both
PizzaPizza: b not much chance
romain [2d\]: sure, that's another story
]
;W[ig]C[yuipo [10k\]: L11?
]
;B[hg]C[romain [2d\]: ho?
]
;W[hh]
;B[ii]C[PizzaPizza: ho
]
;W[bh]C[theolddan [2d\]: endlich b12
]
;B[bg]C[janibi [2d\]: gibt es ne inet seite wo schon die paarungen und ergebnisse drauf sindß
janibi [2d\]: ?
Hannover08 [-\]: nein nicht online
]
;W[if]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: a11 makes life
romain [2d\]: silver a11 makes life?
romain [2d\]: how?
Woodstock [-\]: connection is better, right?
melmak: b 12 wasnt good
theolddan [2d\]: b12 war vital
Tsche [3d\]: l11
romain [2d\]: e12 
Woodstock [-\]: no need for A11
melmak: b 12 b 13 w hasnt a follow up
romain [2d\]: e12!!!
theolddan [2d\]: e12 ist noch unangenehm
romain [2d\]: what?
Tsche [3d\]: s kann w nicht toeten dann liever eigene schwachgruppe in sicher bringen
romain [2d\]: waht is ist nowh unanghelhen?
Hannover08 [-\]: b 30 and w 20 minutes left
silver2k4 [5d?\]: romain, means - feels bad for w
lilbuddha [8k\]: still uncomfortable"
romain [2d\]: ok thanks silver
Tsche [3d\]: L11 
romain [2d\]: well its still ko but :S
]
;B[kh]C[yuipo [10k\]: w
TheYaou [8k\]: E12 b?
romain [2d\]: yes b
Tsche [3d\]: q18
romain [2d\]: q18 small?
MyEyes [1d\]: w l11?
yuipo [10k\]: g15
melmak: l11 look good
romain [2d\]: yes
silver2k4 [5d?\]: b didnt see l11 i think
romain [2d\]: l11 is tortue :)
romain [2d\]: torture i meant
MyEyes [1d\]: l11 disrupts blacks shape
romain [2d\]: keima slaughtering
]
;W[gf]C[melmak: maybe b should have played there
MyEyes [1d\]: hm?
romain [2d\]: w honte
MyEyes [1d\]: ah
romain [2d\]: but...
melmak: w nurses his lead home
theolddan [2d\]: but w had no time for l11 because he had to capture h13 no matter what
]
;B[eh]C[romain [2d\]: ko is huge
TheYaou [8k\]: HA
romain [2d\]: .....
silver2k4 [5d?\]: ko?
romain [2d\]: here we come
TheYaou [8k\]: he did it
theolddan [2d\]: nastiest move ...
silver2k4 [5d?\]: c11
romain [2d\]: f11 d11 e10 ?
MyEyes [1d\]: w d11 is enough :D
silver2k4 [5d?\]: d11 i mean
lelliot [2k?\]: F10
romain [2d\]: ho
MyEyes [1d\]: w d11 connects or lives
theolddan [2d\]: but f10 works still
romain [2d\]: right
lelliot [2k?\]: no ko
theolddan [2d\]: ah but ...
SDW86 [8k\]: f12
]
;W[fj]C[theolddan [2d\]: what about e10
TheYaou [8k\]: lol
TheYaou [8k\]: why f10?
theolddan [2d\]: d11 and then connect at g9
Potemk [8k\]: :x
theolddan [2d\]: istnt that ko?
lelliot [2k?\]: no ko, because w takes first,
TheYaou [8k\]: it´s ko anyway
Hannover08 [-\]: f10 connects
melmak: b cant cut
lelliot [2k?\]: b anywhere, w c13.
TheYaou [8k\]: e10 Oo?
]
;B[gg]C[romain [2d\]: that looks no good for white
kishambo [4k\]: Yaou no it isnt because of G9 atari if cut
theolddan [2d\]: b gets really nasty now
lelliot [2k?\]: oops, i missed that.
silver2k4 [5d?\]: e10 ?
melmak: nothing
janibi [2d\]: d11
MyEyes [1d\]: I said d11 but zou wouldn'T listen :D
melmak: f13
romain [2d\]: ^^
MyEyes [1d\]: d11 doesn't work now
silver2k4 [5d?\]: eh h10 
silver2k4 [5d?\]: i mean
janibi [2d\]: f11 and dead
MyEyes [1d\]: if w h10 black connects and fights ko
kishambo [4k\]: g13 nice move
theolddan [2d\]: connect at d11 now
TheYaou [8k\]: thats what im saying the hole tim e..
theolddan [2d\]: then miai of h10 and f13
Tsche [3d\]: f11
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;W[hj]C[TheYaou [8k\]: it´s not miai
theolddan [2d\]: i have overseen b f13 ok
MyEyes [1d\]: this will be ko @ d11
theolddan [2d\]: but this is not good
]
;B[gk]C[MyEyes [1d\]: that's why h10 is bad I think
yuipo [10k\]: i want to see  ko wr at tthis match
romain [2d\]: told ya e12's taste was ko...
MyEyes [1d\]: as now the ko works for b
kishambo [4k\]: now connect and you have your miai olddan
kishambo [4k\]:  ;)
MyEyes [1d\]: ah yeah, that's the right order :D
]
;W[fi]C[MyEyes [1d\]: lol
TheYaou [8k\]: b lives and w dies
MyEyes [1d\]: yaou strong :D:D:D:D
TheYaou [8k\]: yeah kneel in front of my almighty power
theolddan [2d\]: istnt d11 for b ko now?
MyEyes [1d\]: yes
MyEyes [1d\]: it was ko before as well
romain [2d\]: but what about h10 ? creating ko threats?
TheYaou [8k\]: don´t forget to lick my shoes
yuipo [10k\]: w connects anyway
MyEyes [1d\]: h10 made the ko possible for b
MyEyes [1d\]: it wasn't ko before
romain [2d\]: hum right
MyEyes [1d\]: I don't get f10 + h10
romain [2d\]: but it also make it inaffordable to loose the ko for black
theolddan [2d\]: so w in trouble now
theolddan [2d\]: no sure win anymore ....
melmak: if he wants to continoue f13 only move
MyEyes [1d\]: I guess black has more threats
Tsche [3d\]:  schwarz verloren
melmak: h14?
Hannover08 [-\]: b counts
melmak: counts?
theolddan [2d\]: b must "go all out"
romain [2d\]: hahaha
MyEyes [1d\]: do or die, since fuseki, lol :d
romain [2d\]: all in you mean :)
melmak: no need to count i think
PhiEQ8x4 [10k\]: wieviel zeit noch?
romain [2d\]: well black should have counted since a long time, at least 20 times at this point :S
oonicks [?\]: einfach b f13 reicht nicht?
Hannover08 [-\]: b 22 and w 13 minutes until byo-yomi
theolddan [2d\]: b should count ko threads
MyEyes [1d\]: ah I just foun why white didn't play d11 :D
Hannover08 [-\]: maybe he check his ko threads now
theolddan [2d\]: seems that w is better here because after winning the ko he can also capture in teh middle
romain [2d\]: hard to find big enough
yuipo [10k\]: maybe he just went to toilet
Tsche [3d\]: wenn zwei steine faengt, 1. vorhand gegen schwaz gruppe oben danach mittel gruppe noch schwch  mittelgebiet von schwarz auch automatisch kaputt
Hannover08 [-\]: no it's w yuipo^^
TheYaou [8k\]: l11 isa rlyrly ugly thread
TheYaou [8k\]: t
Irrdan [5d\]: f11 auf e10 nicht sicherer?
OmegaSkill [2d\]: b cant start the ko is think no thearts are big enough cause w could catch c12 and the oher b would die
theolddan [2d\]: biggest threads is r11 and the local one at g6
yuipo [10k\]: i didnt understood why b played l12 instead of l11
theolddan [2d\]: r4 i meant
MyEyes [1d\]: da sagst du was irrdan
MyEyes [1d\]: obwohl
Irrdan [5d\]: ja
MyEyes [1d\]: ne, das ging ned
Irrdan [5d\]: warum?
MyEyes [1d\]: wenn w e10, dann b f13 w  f11 b j10 
Tsche [3d\]: einzige hoffnung ist ko auf d11
OmegaSkill [2d\]: das er aber nicht gewinnen kann
OmegaSkill [2d\]: also gibt er auf
Irrdan [5d\]: ach f1 ist auch sente 
Irrdan [5d\]: nomen est ...
Irrdan [5d\]: f13
MyEyes [1d\]: weiss hätte auch mit d11 verbinden können und so sicher leben
]
;B[ho]C[MyEyes [1d\]: dafür hätte die g9 gruppe aber angebunden
Tsche [3d\]: s denkt w auch noch nicht lebt^^
melmak: whats this?
MyEyes [1d\]: an ancient game called go
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: i hear it's popular in china
]
;W[gp]C[Potemk [8k\]: :p
MyEyes [1d\]: you think so warfreak
]
;B[di]C[yuipo [10k\]: b intends to kill all w :)
OmegaSkill [2d\]: b will resign?
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: i don't believe everything i'm told, myeyes
MyEyes [1d\]: I heard it was invented in paris 5000 years ago
Tsche [3d\]: naja
]
;W[dj]
;B[ej]
;W[dh]C[theolddan [2d\]: h5 is not understandable for me
Irrdan [5d\]: g7
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: create threats
Hannover08 [-\]: maybe h5 creates ko threats?
Tsche [3d\]: abtausch?
melmak: w ignore everything
]
;B[gm]C[OmegaSkill [2d\]: ignore
MyEyes [1d\]: the ko is huge as if white gets c13 the upper left group is weak
SDW86 [8k\]: connect
Irrdan [5d\]: naja
SDW86 [8k\]: white dead
MyEyes [1d\]: white dies if tenuki
Irrdan [5d\]: h5 evtl selbst g7?
rayen [1d\]: b kinda looks rather weak if w gets c13 
Uberdude [1d\]: i was awat for a bit, can anyone explain why white f10 rather than f11?
MyEyes [1d\]: rayen, that's what I just said...
rayen [1d\]: oh :D
rayen [1d\]: sorry haha
Tsche [3d\]: mittel gebiet von s  auch riesig gross^^, wenn abgetascht ist 
MyEyes [1d\]: :D
MyEyes [1d\]: uber
]
;W[cg]C[MyEyes [1d\]: as it was ko anyway
]
;B[hp]C[Irrdan [5d\]: ~g17 genug hm?
kishambo [4k\]: wow, riesentausch
romain [2d\]: black to kill all white :)
MyEyes [1d\]: but black was forced to play some stuff that would have been threats otherwise now
Tsche [3d\]: spannung pur!
]
;W[hn]
;B[gn]
;W[io]C[Tsche [3d\]: he?
OmegaSkill [2d\]: is over
Jazzman [1k\]: find ich nich spannend :)
]
;B[fp]C[MyEyes [1d\]: white is alive, so done :D
romain [2d\]: gote life still
MyEyes [1d\]: life still
kishambo [4k\]: white alive so boring ;)
romain [2d\]: black done a great job imho, even if not sufficient
MyEyes [1d\]: enough by far :D
OmegaSkill [2d\]: b cant keep up anymore
romain [2d\]: but now
romain [2d\]: d16 feels lonely
]
;W[ki]C[MyEyes [1d\]: no potential for black anywhere now
Tsche [3d\]: s versuch mal zwei auge zu finden
]
;B[fg]C[MyEyes [1d\]: ach, das geht doch?
Tsche [3d\]: vielleicht
Irrdan [5d\]: m11?
megabeest [18k\]: how much time do they have left?
MyEyes [1d\]: e15 ist schonmal ein sicheres
MyEyes [1d\]: ausser wenn w das kriegt :D
OmegaSkill [2d\]: naja weiß ist dran
Swordfish7 [5d\]: black half dead
Hannover08 [-\]: b 16 and w 8 minutes left
megabeest [18k\]: thx
]
;W[gd]C[MiloGe [18k\]: not much time ^^
]
;B[ae]C[romain [2d\]: lol black want still to kill white
MyEyes [1d\]: white get's territory in sente there and can get the huge hane of m11
Midian [10k\]: Senseless^^
OmegaSkill [2d\]: e15
romain [2d\]: well ignore this and it might be dead :)
]
;W[ff]C[Irrdan [5d\]: a1 - b12? and then?
romain [2d\]: a13 ?
]
;B[ag]C[Irrdan [5d\]: a13-  b10...
]
;W[ee]C[Uberdude [1d\]: e15 first
Midian [10k\]: But why??
OmegaSkill [2d\]: b10 seki
]
;B[af]C[romain [2d\]: isn't it allowed to dream? :p
]
;W[ch]C[Midian [10k\]: Verliert doch 'nen zug dadurch
OmegaSkill [2d\]: and if b dies it is not aseki
]
;B[de]
;W[bj]C[MyEyes [1d\]: game over :D
romain [2d\]: hoho
Uberdude [1d\]: f14 was odd looking
melmak: stupid end
Uberdude [1d\]: but seems to make some sense
Tsche [3d\]: s muede
]
;B[hc]C[PhiEQ8x4 [10k\]: kein wunder... war acuh immer unter druck
Tsche [3d\]: aufgeben
Irrdan [5d\]: w tough
Midian [10k\]: Auch wenn schwarz die Gruppe hält, gewinnt weiß
Hannover08 [-\]: (btw: adriano hat leider wieder verloren)
MyEyes [1d\]: schwer da ne richtig gute antwort drauf zu finden
OmegaSkill [2d\]: ist franz josef auch da?
Hannover08 [-\]: nein
Finnes [3k\]: nö
]
;W[gc]C[MyEyes [1d\]: der scherzkeks
romain [2d\]: so dead
]
;B[hf]C[Tsche [3d\]: doch
romain [2d\]: j15 ?
MyEyes [1d\]: h14 funzt doch
Hannover08 [-\]: w 3 minutes until byoyomi
Tsche [3d\]: wieso g17?
OmegaSkill [2d\]: h15
Midian [10k\]: Damit er keine 2 Augen macht
Tsche [3d\]: sowieso s keine zweiauch
MyEyes [1d\]: jo einfachste antwort
Tsche [3d\]: auge
]
;W[ie]C[romain [2d\]: hehe :)
MyEyes [1d\]: huch?
romain [2d\]: h15 j15 
OmegaSkill [2d\]: lol
MyEyes [1d\]: SE @ ownage
Jazzman [1k\]: ist das echt noch die zweite Runde?
]
;B[he]
;W[hd]C[OmegaSkill [2d\]: maybe i need my glasses
]
;B[ge]C[romain [2d\]: f16 
MyEyes [1d\]: b lebt doch jez o_=
Midian [10k\]: Oha
MyEyes [1d\]: o_0
Midian [10k\]: Jo
MyEyes [1d\]: mom
]
;W[li]C[MyEyes [1d\]: lol
romain [2d\]: ok
OmegaSkill [2d\]: omg
OmegaSkill [2d\]: glück ist immer dabei
MyEyes [1d\]: w kann doch immer noch bulky five machen o_0
MyEyes [1d\]: f15 f16 e14 
Midian [10k\]: Die beiden um E 18 kann er aber kriegen^^
]
;B[dc]C[Midian [10k\]: Jetzt nicht mehr
]
;W[da]C[Tsche [3d\]: ist vlamid dabei?
MyEyes [1d\]: danek is auch da
OmegaSkill [2d\]: doch ist aber immer noch vorbei
Uberdude [1d\]: hubschrauberlandingplatze!
MyEyes [1d\]: w f15 killt :D
MyEyes [1d\]: wie herrlich :D
Tsche [3d\]: danke
MyEyes [1d\]: ich glaube zou jin lässt ihn mit absicht leben
Hannover08 [-\]: ja tsche
MyEyes [1d\]: lol uber :D
romain [2d\]: resign,  o11 f15 miai
silver2k4 [5d?\]: wie gehts adrian?
romain [2d\]: well not miai as "equal value" but still miai
Finnes [3k\]: 0:2
Hannover08 [-\]: adriano het eben verloren
silver2k4 [5d?\]: ooh
woll997 [2k?\]: gegen wen? 
Hannover08 [-\]: erfahrung macht stark
melmak: the last 100 moves b got nearly all he dreamed off but still losing
silver2k4 [5d?\]: ka w töten?
TheYaou [8k\]: schwarz ist doch eh unrettbar verloren oder
Hannover08 [-\]: Adriano hat gegen Matthias Terwey verloren
MyEyes [1d\]: w kann töten wenn b ned deckt
silver2k4 [5d?\]: jo stimmt
tukan [3k\]: w o11
rayen [1d\]: o11 
MyEyes [1d\]: b kriegt aber auch höchstens seki oder?
MyEyes [1d\]: ach quatsch
MyEyes [1d\]: war verwirrt :D
tukan [3k\]: rayen you pay for a beer 
rayen [1d\]: I dont drink beer ^_^
tukan [3k\]: me neither but it is a saying 
OmegaSkill [2d\]: wenn schon scheiße dann konequent scheiße
rayen [1d\]: or alcohol in that case
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;B[mi]C[MyEyes [1d\]: JA
MyEyes [1d\]: kill
kishambo [4k\]: KIILL
MyEyes [1d\]: f15
silver2k4 [5d?\]: oh
]
;W[fe]
;B[fd]C[MyEyes [1d\]: yeah
zawung [6k\]: schwarz lebt doch 
]
;W[ef]C[MyEyes [1d\]: nein zawung b lebt ned
OmegaSkill [2d\]: ne mit e14 
OmegaSkill [2d\]: nicht
DerElefant [11k?\]: ?
TheYaou [8k\]: ne
kishambo [4k\]: counterkill at k6?
rayen [1d\]: g18 '
MyEyes [1d\]: doesn't work as w has m11 hane
]
;B[gb]C[Uberdude [1d\]: w has squeeze with k12 to make yeyes
]
;W[hb]C[MyEyes [1d\]: black dreaming :D
BlackFox [3k\]: over
rayen [1d\]: atleast the 4d didnt read the kill either ^_^
Hannover08 [-\]: w is in byoyomi now
Hannover08 [-\]: b 8 minutes left
Midian [10k\]: Which Byoyomi is?
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: k12?
MyEyes [1d\]: b hoping for win on time it seems :D
silver2k4 [5d?\]: hat s wohl nicht genug zeit mehr gehabt
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: k13 maybe
Midian [10k\]: (I don't know this)
]
;B[id]
;W[ic]C[tiger1 [1k\]: 20 moves in 5 min
]
;B[jd]
;W[ke]C[Midian [10k\]: Thanks^^
]
;B[fc]
;W[hc]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: haha
MyEyes [1d\]: lol
]
;B[fa]C[MyEyes [1d\]: now black can kill with k13 + k6?
]
;W[ha]
;B[ea]
;W[ga]C[Tsche [3d\]: ?
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: that was my thinking
OmegaSkill [2d\]: nice end kill himself^^
MyEyes [1d\]: warfreak I hate to admit this, but you are really strong at seeing crazy stuff :D
Uberdude [1d\]: b19 shining now
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: i learn from thecaptain
MyEyes [1d\]: :D
Hannover08 [-\]: b resigns
romain [2d\]: gratz players :)
Kour [9k\]: thx for showing us Hannover08
MyEyes [1d\]: hu?
Tsche [3d\]: danke
kishambo [4k\]: danke
romain [2d\]: b should have f18 first
MyEyes [1d\]: why doesn't b play wf2s crazy sequence?
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: because it doesn't work
Hannover08 [-\]: i hopy you enjoyed the game
romain [2d\]: :D
Midian [10k\]: Yes^^
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: this is left as an exercise to the reader
Kour [9k\]: hehe
MyEyes [1d\]: oh
MyEyes [1d\]: bamboo is a peep :D
DerElefant [11k?\]: game over?
Hannover08 [-\]: w+res
Hannover08 [-\]: next game in 20 minutes or so
Midian [10k\]: Do you show us?^^
zawung [6k\]: was ist  K13- L6-L5-K6 
zawung [6k\]: ?
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