(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[4500]OT[20/300 Canadian]
GN[Hannover Messeturnier, Round 3, Board 1]PW[Yang Su]PB[Jin Zou]WR[5d]BR[6d]DT[2008-04-19]EV[Hannover Messeturnier]RO[3]PC[http://www.hannover-go.de]US[Uwe Schmidt, T. Arndt]C[Hannover08 [-\]: The round is about to start in s few minutes.
silver2k4 [5d?\]: oh das sieht gut aus
gimme [-\]: do any germans live in hannover?
gimme [-\]: or just chinese guys?
silver2k4 [5d?\]: joke?
playfast [2k\]: can anyone tell me what it is?
zawung [6k\]: im vorigen spiel was ist mit K13-L6-L5-K6
silver2k4 [5d?\]: nix
yuipo [10k\]: will the game start?
zawung [6k\]: ok thx
Hannover08 [-\]: There is a delay - sorry about that. I hope the game will start in some minutes.
Hannover08 [-\]: Es gibt eine Verzögerung. Ich hoffe, daß das Spiel in einigen Minuten beginnt.
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;B[pp]
;W[dd]
;B[cp]
;W[pd]C[rockL [5d\]: i predict move 6 at D11
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;B[nc]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: o17 wird gern gespielt neuerdings
rockL [5d\]: i change my prediction to R14
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;W[kd]C[zawung [6k\]: wer spielt da eigentlich?
silver2k4 [5d?\]: haha
rockL [5d\]: shoulda known
pagapont [1k\]: give up go rockL :p
Hannover08 [-\]: Yang Su gegen Jin Zoi
pagapont [1k\]: or try the next one, final chance
Hannover08 [-\]: Zou
Lantis [7k\]: it would be nice if anyone of the skilled players could try to make some comments during game
Hannover08 [-\]: Steht aber oben auch....
rockL [5d\]: next one is tough
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;B[fc]C[Midian [9k\]: o17 - Neuerdings?^^
rockL [5d\]: maybe p17
silver2k4 [5d?\]: i predict p17
Midian [9k\]: I think no
yuipo [10k\]: i predict o16
pagapont [1k\]: p17 looks good
silver2k4 [5d?\]: go jin zou!
MiloGe [18k\]: die lassen sich  aber ganz schön zeit^^
PhiEQ8x4 [10k\]: wieso spielt eigentlich der 6 dan mit schwarz sollte nicht der schwächere das recht auf den ersten stein haben?
silver2k4 [5d?\]: das ist kein handicap turnier
zawung [6k\]: h17
Hannover08 [-\]: Turniere werden in der Regel mit einem um 2 Steine reduzierten Handycap gespielt.
woll997 [2k?\]: Wieviele Teilnehmer sind es dieses Jahr? 
rockL [5d\]: what round is this?
Hannover08 [-\]: Ca 90.
Hannover08 [-\]: Third round.
MiloGe [18k\]: und wieviele Runden wirds etwa geben??
rockL [5d\]: how did su yang do first 2 rounds?
Midian [9k\]: Und der höchste Dan, der teilnimmt?
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;W[df]C[yuipo [10k\]: i counted it all to the end game :)
yuipo [10k\]: he
Hannover08 [-\]: noch 2 runden am sonntag
MiloGe [18k\]: ok
Midian [9k\]: Also eine Tabelle bei nur 5 Runden?
]
;B[db]
;W[gc]C[Hannover08 [-\]: Jin Zou ist der höchste Dan. 
Midian [9k\]: Aha^^
yuipo [10k\]: omg
Midian [9k\]: Ich seh weiß bisher im Vorteil... mal schauen
bamlee [4k\]: toll
celebrir [2k\]: schwarz spielt gerne aufholjgden, wenn ich mich an das Spiel gegen Robert zur DM erinner^^
yuipo [10k\]: any comments?
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;B[gd]
;W[hc]
;B[fb]
;W[cc]
;B[hd]
;W[ic]
;B[ed]C[Baduk4you [5d\]: seltene eroeffnung. statt d14 ist p17 denkbar
oonicks [?\]: f16 auch
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;W[oc]C[Baduk4you [5d\]: f16 spielt man eigentlich nur wenn man links ne anlage hat
yuipo [10k\]: did b really leave?
silver2k4 [5d?\]: o16
Hannover08 [-\]: Pardon?
]
;B[de]C[Striker [-\]: mhh, kgs 9d vs kgs 7d, nice game :)
silver2k4 [5d?\]: kgs 9d?
Striker [-\]: su yang
silver2k4 [5d?\]: whats his name on kgs?
Striker [-\]: is jeffchang
silver2k4 [5d?\]: oh lol
silver2k4 [5d?\]: yes :)
Striker [-\]: ^^
Baduk4you [5d\]: wundert mich dass er als 5d spielt
silver2k4 [5d?\]: chinese 5d shouldnt call himself euro 5d...
Striker [-\]: chinesischer 5d
Baduk4you [5d\]: immer diese chinesischen sandbagger^^
silver2k4 [5d?\]: d15 looks like it just makes w stronger
pinkfloyd [3k\]: was ist die kgs name von jin zou?
gimme [-\]: its always good to help a friend
Striker [-\]: zooken
pinkfloyd [3k\]: danke
silver2k4 [5d?\]: ich glaub er hat sich verschrieben und wollte zocken heißen :)
Midian [9k\]: Wenn Yang su so stark ist, sollte Jin Zou sich nicht zuviel zum aufholen erspielen^^
]
;W[ce]
;B[ee]
;W[cg]C[Midian [9k\]: Hier ist C15 für mich die logische Antwort...
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;B[nd]C[Midian [9k\]: ^^
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;W[pf]C[AngLHeart [?\]: this is tournament?
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;B[kb]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: i don't geht this exchange..
Hannover08 [-\]: Yes.
Javaness [-\]: yes
AngLHeart [?\]: which one?
Baduk4you [5d\]: yes w got more than b
Hannover08 [-\]: Messe tournament in Hannover, Germany.
djifmaster [5k\]: probably to have a better structure for attacking center group
oonicks [?\]: i think its about the points there
Baduk4you [5d\]: then he shouldnt play it for sure^^ w got more points
silver2k4 [5d?\]: imo just overplay
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;W[id]C[Striker [-\]: b?
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;B[nf]C[Midian [9k\]: b C18??
Baduk4you [5d\]: c18 is endgame
silver2k4 [5d?\]: sabaki m18 to get sente?
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;W[ph]C[Midian [9k\]: kay^^
Baduk4you [5d\]: L13?
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;B[qe]
;W[pe]C[Azab [2d?\]: gibt es eine online tabelle?
Doublewing [9k\]: r17 möglich ?
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;B[lg]C[Hannover08 [-\]: Nein, meines Wissens nicht.
Baduk4you [5d\]: r17 schadet im moment o17
Baduk4you [5d\]: spaeter aber moeglich wenn s stabil ist
Javaness [-\]: I like black
kurikuri [8k\]: black has two weak groups though
kurikuri [8k\]: well... e16 isn't all that weak
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;W[if]
;B[qc]
;W[ob]
;B[rf]C[Warfreak2 [3d?\]: yaaaay
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: jeff will win the tournament.
MyEyes [1d\]: Go Jeff
Striker [-\]: ^^
silver2k4 [5d?\]: for sure
roudoudou [3k\]: hard for white to run 3 separated groups
]
;W[le]C[Striker [-\]: black is in the same situation
Baduk4you [5d\]: u dont run with living groups. so only 2^^
]
;B[nh]C[roudoudou [3k\]: soory i would mean black
megabeest [18k\]: race to the bottom
celebrir [2k\]: what is the status of F18 ? nearly alive ?
MyEyes [1d\]: oh, der henker :d
MyEyes [1d\]: moin moin
Fredda [-\]: B will win this game
Baduk4you [5d\]: b is not really weak
Fredda [-\]: m15 - o12 exchange seems good for b
Baduk4you [5d\]: hi eyes
Fredda [-\]: though W is also strong :)
MyEyes [1d\]: go jeff
silver2k4 [5d?\]: w can connect
]
;W[qf]
;B[re]
;W[rg]
;B[rh]C[Striker [-\]: connecting 2 zero eye groups just makes a blind dragon
MyEyes [1d\]: don't be so pessimistic
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: jeffchang always wins
MyEyes [1d\]: except against korean 7ds
MyEyes [1d\]: :D
roudoudou [3k\]: héhé, i won jeffchang
Baduk4you [5d\]: if blind people can play go, a blind dragon might live^^
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;W[mf]C[Striker [-\]: but only if he eats a lot
MyEyes [1d\]: this line connects? o_0
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;B[me]
;W[mg]
;B[ng]
;W[mh]C[MyEyes [1d\]: looks like
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;B[mi]
;W[lh]C[MyEyes [1d\]: protecting n18 is big
silver2k4 [5d?\]: i predict, something dies or w wins
Striker [-\]: how much time remaining?
Baduk4you [5d\]: besser einschliessen und w verbinden lassen
Hannover08 [-\]: B has 55 minutes left, W has 45 minutes left.
]
;B[oi]C[Striker [-\]: thx
silver2k4 [5d?\]: oh w used more time
Midian [9k\]: Find B hat stark aufgeholt bis hierhin
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;W[ri]
(;B[qh])
(;B[qg]C[Baduk4you [5d\]: war er schonmal hinten?^^
PhiEQ8x4 [10k\]: wieso lag b hinten?
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;W[qh]
;B[sg]C[Midian [9k\]: Meine persönliche Einschätzung nur.
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;W[pg]C[Midian [9k\]: Bin aber auch nicht so erfahren im Lesen solcher Spiele^^
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;B[li]C[MyEyes [1d\]: was sind solche spiele
MyEyes [1d\]: Go und?
nyutrok: Mikado
MyEyes [1d\]: :D
silver2k4 [5d?\]: go und 4 gewinnt würd ich sagen
Midian [9k\]: Spiele auf höherem level. Bei schwächeren Spielern merkt man leicht, wer führt oder ob's ausgeglichen ist, find ich
Midian [9k\]: xD
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;W[qd]
;B[rd]
;W[qb]
;B[rb]
;W[pc]
;B[rc]
;W[ra]
;B[rg]
;W[qj]
;B[sb]C[Striker [-\]: so peaceful
djifmaster [5k\]: l12
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;W[kh]C[Baduk4you [5d\]: 100 points
MyEyes [1d\]: of 361?
MyEyes [1d\]: :D
djifmaster [5k\]: why do the think so long?
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;B[pi]
;W[qi]C[sarlina [7k\]: wer spieltn grad?
Striker [-\]: steht doch da
MyEyes [1d\]: because they think about more and more difficult stuff :D
Baduk4you [5d\]: they calculate more variations than you would i guess^^
roudoudou [3k\]: k4
hiops: can you read? no? then get out, you coudlnt have possibly read the ToS....
sarlina [7k\]: wo?^^
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;B[nb]C[hiops: and if you could read you would read the players names :D
sarlina [7k\]: ah
sarlina [7k\]: ^^
Striker [-\]: lalala
sarlina [7k\]: so blind heut7
Goreon [1k\]: gibt's da ne homepage mit dem aktuellen stand?'
MyEyes [1d\]: w r6 pflicht
MyEyes [1d\]: ?
djifmaster [5k\]: nein
pagapont [1k\]: o18 so important?
Striker [-\]: o10 ? ^^
pagapont [1k\]: to prevent R6 maybe?
Fredda [-\]: o18 is big 
Baduk4you [5d\]: b gets a base and w isnt alive
MyEyes [1d\]: O18 makes Q19 gote eye
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;W[pm]C[MyEyes [1d\]: and b get's an eye around m18, so HUGE
hiops: actually, b will hate having to do something like o18
Fredda [-\]: otherwise W can n18 to capture a stone, real territority and live with the group directly
pagapont [1k\]: mmm ok makes sense
hikkkol: s5
]
;B[ok]C[hiops: p6
hikkkol: q9
pagapont [1k\]: ...
pagapont [1k\]: all bad moves imo 
Midian [9k\]: Jepp q9
hiops: paga: so whats better?
manestor [9k\]: r7 ?
hiops: tell us your mighty 1k ness
]
;W[qn]C[manestor [9k\]: !
manestor [9k\]: almost!
pagapont [1k\]: mm was considering that...  
manestor [9k\]: hehe i was closest
manestor [9k\]: i win
Striker [-\]: no
hikkkol: ^^
DarkAureC [-\]: win what ?
manestor [9k\]: uh...
manestor [9k\]: a dan level :)
celebrir [2k\]: Then you must give me handicap ;)
MyEyes [1d\]: ok, so your none-existent danlevel raises on twice it'S amount even
manestor [9k\]: of course ^^
MyEyes [1d\]: ^^
MyEyes [1d\]: b s5?
Baduk4you [5d\]: s5 o3?
pagapont [1k\]: s5 looks wrong direction
pagapont [1k\]: yea, w would attack the other way
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;B[ro]C[MyEyes [1d\]: as b has R9 attachment
MyEyes [1d\]: ^^
manestor [9k\]: s5 s6 r5 r8 
MyEyes [1d\]: see :D
pagapont [1k\]: :) 
]
;W[nq]C[Baduk4you [5d\]: see
]
;B[rn]C[MyEyes [1d\]: ^^
Midian [9k\]: ^^
MyEyes [1d\]: I think maybe black should have exchanged R9 first
manestor [9k\]: that's cool !
MyEyes [1d\]: to see how white responds
Midian [9k\]: r5 würd ich nicht setzen... aber mal schaun
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;W[rm]C[Midian [9k\]: ^^
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;B[ql]C[MyEyes [1d\]: oh
MyEyes [1d\]: w s8 seems like ouch move
Midian [9k\]: Den kann weiß abschneiden
Midian [9k\]: q8
celebrir [2k\]: nein
yithril [2d\]: Weiss ist im gefaehr
Midian [9k\]: Weil...?
celebrir [2k\]: Q8 S8
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;W[rl]
;B[qk]
;W[rk]C[Midian [9k\]: Dann r7
]
;B[ol]C[yithril [2d\]: so traurig
Midian [9k\]: Kay^^
celebrir [2k\]: T7 bindet S an
celebrir [2k\]: ^^
pagapont [1k\]: hm
pagapont [1k\]: p5 now?
manestor [9k\]: yep
Striker [-\]: black got such a nice shape
MyEyes [1d\]: p5 seems overplayish
silver2k4 [5d?\]: jin und yang, schwarz und weiss :)
Midian [9k\]: jo
yithril [2d\]: zou jin ist der staerkste Deutscher spieler richtig?
silver2k4 [5d?\]: nö
MyEyes [1d\]: er ist deutscher meister
MyEyes [1d\]: über die stärke selbst wage ich ned zu urteilen
Goreon [1k\]: er heißt zooken
yithril [2d\]: haha
yithril [2d\]: Siege macht stark :)
pagapont [1k\]: b corner alive?
MyEyes [1d\]: everything is alive depending on what price you are willing to pay
pagapont [1k\]: i mean
pagapont [1k\]: if p5
pagapont [1k\]: b can "kill" the big dragon, if corner is alive
MyEyes [1d\]: rather aliver
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;W[qm]
;B[np]C[MyEyes [1d\]: I don't get the meaning of p5 anyway
manestor [9k\]: you suggested it
pagapont [1k\]: encloses the corner, and joins up group with stone..
MyEyes [1d\]: it may look like the shape move but is overplay if you read a few moves ahead
MyEyes [1d\]: ...
Astral [3k\]: p4?
Striker [-\]: dragon alive?
MyEyes [1d\]: sure
pagapont [1k\]: that dragon needs to be careful
MyEyes [1d\]: q19 is gote eye
]
;W[op]C[pagapont [1k\]: but if w q19 ?
pagapont [1k\]: then ko
MyEyes [1d\]: if w q19 it is not an eye
MyEyes [1d\]: that's why it's called gote eye
pagapont [1k\]: t11 ko
pagapont [1k\]: i mean
pagapont [1k\]: q19, t10, t11
Locn4r [3d?\]: or : t10 t11 q19 
MyEyes [1d\]: the ko is unreasonable at this point
MyEyes [1d\]: but if white get's enclosed completely black can fight that ko
celebrir [2k\]: Why not S t10 Wt11 Sq19 ?
pagapont [1k\]: yea
celebrir [2k\]: if white is surrounded of course
pagapont [1k\]: almost
]
;B[oo]
;W[oq]
;B[po]C[Hannover08 [-\]: b surrounds w in sente?
celebrir [2k\]: sounds nice :
celebrir [2k\]: )
pagapont [1k\]: looks that way....
MyEyes [1d\]: yupp white must live
pagapont [1k\]: so painful 
]
;W[rq]
;B[rp]C[MyEyes [1d\]: ah
MyEyes [1d\]: w o6?
pagapont [1k\]: mm
]
;W[oa]C[Sponge7 [2d\]: su yang is jeff chang?
celebrir [2k\]: but white has to keep sente in the following part...
Striker [-\]: yes
MyEyes [1d\]: yupp
Sponge7 [2d\]: and b is?
Striker [-\]: zooken
MyEyes [1d\]: zou jin
pagapont [1k\]: jeff chang?
pagapont [1k\]: isn
pagapont [1k\]: isn't he 8d?
Striker [-\]: 9d ^^
silver2k4 [5d?\]: 9d kgs
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;B[mp]C[manestor [9k\]: gote life :(
manestor [9k\]: it's sad
pagapont [1k\]: 5d? chinese?
]
;W[mq]
;B[pq]C[Striker [-\]: yes
Baduk4you [5d\]: jin is 4d chinese
pagapont [1k\]: mm
Striker [-\]: what about time?
Firebolt [5k\]: jin will end the game in byo yomi, that much is for sure
Sponge7 [2d\]: chinese are sandbaggers?
Firebolt [5k\]: no, chinese rankings are stronger, that's all
lavinass [8k\]: xD
pagapont [1k\]: b looks good 
Hannover08 [-\]: time: b 45 and w 27 minutes left
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;W[kq]
;B[lp]
;W[jr]C[MyEyes [1d\]: actually the chinese rating up to 4d is about even with european ranks
Baduk4you [5d\]: e3?
MyEyes [1d\]: there is a huge gap from 4 to 5 and from 5 to 6 d though
silver2k4 [5d?\]: b dont look so bad
Uberdude [1d\]: in china 6d is the top rank for amateurs normally (you get this from winning some reigional competition), 7d form winning national, 8d from world ama
manestor [9k\]: why not k3  or k4  ?
]
;B[eq]C[MyEyes [1d\]: to remove aji
]
;W[pr]
;B[qr]C[Baduk4you [5d\]: k3 leaves more aji
manestor [9k\]: ok
pagapont [1k\]: hm
Striker [-\]: so many groups on the board ^^
pagapont [1k\]: how big is p2 here?
Uberdude [1d\]: k3 has liberty shortage
Baduk4you [5d\]: k3 m3 m2 l2 n2 j3 for example
pagapont [1k\]: b can ignore P2 i think
pagapont [1k\]: and play K5
]
;W[cn]C[MyEyes [1d\]: whoa
Uberdude [1d\]: this seems overplay cos he is behind
MyEyes [1d\]: so much about play away from thickness
Baduk4you [5d\]: its not so thick
silver2k4 [5d?\]: where is thickness?
hiops: w actually leading
Baduk4you [5d\]: a lot of aji in the corner
hiops: i would even have c5
silver2k4 [5d?\]: c3 aji
]
;B[cl]
;W[bp]C[Striker [-\]: well one more group :)
]
;B[bq]
;W[dp]C[hiops: b got about no points, so does w, but w got komi.....
]
;B[cq]C[Baduk4you [5d\]: e6
silver2k4 [5d?\]: e4
Midian [9k\]: b  wins
WillBePro [4d\]: ok its settled then
manestor [9k\]: 9k always right
silver2k4 [5d?\]: will be pro, funny :)
WillBePro [4d\]: :P
]
;W[co]C[WillBePro [4d\]: ?
]
;B[ep]C[Baduk4you [5d\]: c5 looks a bit heavy
celebrir [2k\]: c10/c11 very big ?
silver2k4 [5d?\]: now e6
silver2k4 [5d?\]: looks weak
manestor [9k\]: b is just gonna drive w to his wall
silver2k4 [5d?\]: would be a long way to go
hiops: w gonna drive b to his wall
]
;W[cj]C[Uberdude [1d\]: takea  friend running with you
manestor [9k\]: hey, i said that already!
Uberdude [1d\]: and induce e6
hiops: just that i switched colors
pagapont [1k\]: lol
Baduk4you [5d\]: u said c10/c11. only 50 points^^
silver2k4 [5d?\]: c9?
manestor [9k\]: ah , didn't noticed ^^
pagapont [1k\]: w is doing well
pagapont [1k\]: pointwise he's ahead no?
silver2k4 [5d?\]: its not about w, w is 2 stones stronger than b
silver2k4 [5d?\]: i hope b will win
]
;B[dm]C[Baduk4you [5d\]: its still an even game
pagapont [1k\]: thinking about b8?
]
;W[eo]
;B[fm]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: b8 is not good
pagapont [1k\]: yea i read it
pagapont [1k\]: just that e5 was only escape move.. so why would he be thinking..
megabeest [18k\]: why would he think yes
]
;W[fo]
;B[gn]C[pagapont [1k\]: looks like w is going to get punished
Midian [9k\]: Can w escape?^^
silver2k4 [5d?\]: maybe he was thinking about sth. else
AngLHeart [?\]: who is leading so far?
djifmaster [5k\]: b
silver2k4 [5d?\]: no one can tell
pagapont [1k\]: he can escape.. but b will build a nice centre
Azab [2d?\]: :)
Hannover08 [-\]: w thinks about the last move, and b is afb
djifmaster [5k\]: haha
silver2k4 [5d?\]: hows w's facial expression?
AngLHeart [?\]: any web site to see result? pairing?
djifmaster [5k\]: w is running out of time
Hannover08 [-\]: seems he is searching for a solution^^
pagapont [1k\]: like this :      :-(}
silver2k4 [5d?\]: hehe
pagapont [1k\]: :p
Leeroy [1d\]: in points white seemsa littlebit more comfortable riggt?
silver2k4 [5d?\]: but he has not a "hopeless" expression no`?
AngLHeart [?\]: lol
manestor [9k\]: not after b builds a huge center
Hannover08 [-\]: no, not hopeless
Dunadan8 [8k?\]: black has really a nice moyo in the center ...
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;W[hp]C[pagapont [1k\]: mmm
silver2k4 [5d?\]: seems like it will be decided in endgame
manestor [9k\]: j5 g3 j10 
pagapont [1k\]: w will get into a d5 ko?
]
;B[dq]C[manestor [9k\]: e6 
]
;W[do]C[pagapont [1k\]: mmmm
pagapont [1k\]: ?
manestor [9k\]: ah
pagapont [1k\]: strange move
djifmaster [5k\]: crazy
manestor [9k\]: b corner dies :)
rouq [2k\]: e10
celebrir [2k\]: not really ;P
djifmaster [5k\]: b corner is superstrong
pagapont [1k\]: just g5...
silver2k4 [5d?\]: how's the time?
djifmaster [5k\]: b k4
Midian [9k\]: yes the corner is strong
Hannover08 [-\]: time: b 33 and w 15 minutes left
djifmaster [5k\]: *k5
pagapont [1k\]: w must have in mind this sequence :g5 f4 g4 f3 g3 f2 
Locn4r [3d?\]: g5 f4 g4 f3 g3 g2 h2 e2 g1 f2 h3 b5 and b is dead :)
]
;B[jn]C[Locn4r [3d?\]: so he cant^^
Uberdude [1d\]: the aji is annoying for white
Uberdude [1d\]: he really needs to k10 or so
Midian [9k\]: defensiv^^
Uberdude [1d\]: but can he affird tenuki?
Locn4r [3d?\]: hard to tell
]
;W[gq]
;B[gr]
;W[hr]
;B[go]
;W[fp]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: jin and yang, black and white
silver2k4 [5d?\]: hm, i would have prefered sente
]
;B[fq]
;W[gp]
;B[cb]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: okay its sente :)
Locn4r [3d?\]: ^^
Midian [9k\]: Ah na endlich
Dunadan8 [8k?\]: c18 is bigger than k10 ?
celebrir [2k\]: k10 is not so big ?
silver2k4 [5d?\]: if w at c18, black might be attackable
]
;W[bb]
;B[dc]
;W[cd]C[Dunadan8 [8k?\]: k
manestor [9k\]:  yose time :D
silver2k4 [5d?\]: c18 also has big follow ups
]
;B[jj]C[miao [7d\]: j11 big
]
;W[ko]C[Striker [-\]: time?
]
;B[kn]
;W[lo]
;B[ln]
;W[mo]C[Hannover08 [-\]: time: b 27 and w 10 minutes left
Midian [9k\]: Das nimmt ja ganz neue Züge an...
]
;B[no]
;W[mn]
;B[or]
;W[nr]
;B[ps]
;W[mm]
;B[lq]
;W[lr]
;B[ns]
;W[mr]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: hm
Hannover08 [-\]: nimmt nicht irgendwie jede partie immer neue züge an?^^
Locn4r [3d?\]: seems painful for both :p
pagapont [1k\]: w managed to get in the centre.. wow
silver2k4 [5d?\]: black did really know what he wanted?
Baduk4you [5d\]: still close
]
;B[gj]C[hikkkol: warum net die drei schwarzen steine auf n4 geopfert?
silver2k4 [5d?\]: ne das is wiederum zu groß
silver2k4 [5d?\]: und gote
Uberdude [1d\]: b got c18 in sente seems too bad for w
Midian [9k\]: Nicht jede
Hannover08 [-\]: ^^
hikkkol: groß ok... aber was da in der mitte nun verloren geht, das find ich auch gross
Hannover08 [-\]: w is counting
silver2k4 [5d?\]: how can u see that he does so?
manestor [9k\]: i think he's eating a burger
djifmaster [5k\]: yeah, coumt!
Locn4r [3d?\]: e10?
Baduk4you [5d\]: q2 zu fangen war so gross wie die mitte
Hannover08 [-\]: his eyes go from group to group over the hole board
Uberdude [1d\]: the top board has holes in it?
Uberdude [1d\]: can't afford decent stuff :p
manestor [9k\]: j10 !
djifmaster [5k\]: j11 seems big
Uberdude [1d\]: there is probably a reduction somewhere
Uberdude [1d\]: the b shape is thin
Uberdude [1d\]: but hard to find the right aji
Baduk4you [5d\]: i would m8
Midian [9k\]: The time...?
manestor [9k\]: time tesuji
]
;W[kl]C[manestor [9k\]: yeah ;)
Uberdude [1d\]: i was tihnking perhaps m8 or l8
Hoshiman [1d\]: go jin go
Uberdude [1d\]: depends if behind or ahead
Uberdude [1d\]: b has k5 
djifmaster [5k\]: so this move means white feels behind?
Hannover08 [-\]: 2 minutes left for w
]
;B[jo]C[batgirl [1d\]: l11 cut is interesting
Midian [9k\]: b M8, wenn die Gruppe gesichert ist?
celebrir [2k\]: how many time has black left ?
Hannover08 [-\]: b 24 minutes
Hannover08 [-\]: w byoyomi begins now
batgirl [1d\]: what about the other top boards?
ChinesePlr [?\]: where is the divine move ?
djifmaster [5k\]: is it progressive boyomi?
Striker [-\]: how is byoyomi?
Hannover08 [-\]: 20 stones in 5 minutes
]
;W[ll]C[Locn4r [3d?\]: eh fast
]
;B[kp]
;W[om]
;B[jq]
;W[kr]C[ChinesePlr [?\]: W live !
Baduk4you [5d\]: k5 was questionable. w destroyed all and b got nothing
]
;B[iq]
;W[fr]C[ChinesePlr [?\]: F2
]
;B[er]
;W[gs]
;B[ir]C[Baduk4you [5d\]: or he gets all
]
;W[is]C[Baduk4you [5d\]: we will see^^
ChinesePlr [?\]: W lives easily
teddywawa [5k\]: b7?
batgirl [1d\]: k1 seems dangerous
Baduk4you [5d\]: h3 k1 are miai
Baduk4you [5d\]: b thinks about the left side
ChinesePlr [?\]: B7
batgirl [1d\]: but miai with a possible loss of stones
MyEyes [1d\]: I think playing h3 is worse for b though
teddywawa [5k\]: k1 gives white sente, no?
manestor [9k\]: i don't see w living...
MyEyes [1d\]: as white can threaten the snapback then :D
ChinesePlr [?\]: B7 kill for sure
Striker [-\]: ChinesePlr [?\]: W lives easily; ChinesePlr [?\]: B7 kill for sure 
Striker [-\]: haha
ChinesePlr [?\]: :P
Striker [-\]: so strong kibitz
mithra [?\]: B7 and W locally dead
ChinesePlr [?\]: T'es mechant   jte cause plus
manestor [9k\]: but black corner mayber in trouble, no?
Baduk4you [5d\]: b7 doesnt kill
manestor [9k\]: hehe
manestor [9k\]: un francais
ChinesePlr [?\]: =D
hiops: chinese player is french... hmm paradox
manestor [9k\]: lol
Uberdude [1d\]: w has moves like j5 
Baduk4you [5d\]: j5 is useless
ChinesePlr [?\]: Les gens peuvent avoir differentes origines a ce que je sache
Uberdude [1d\]: combine with e7
mithra [?\]: trying to kill dangerous for B 
Uberdude [1d\]: b has some weakness
mithra [?\]: but maybe only possibility for win?
hiops: seems w alive
ChinesePlr [?\]: W dead
mithra [?\]: Jin Zou is killer
batgirl [1d\]: maybe there is a ko life at a3
ChinesePlr [?\]: No there is no ko
manestor [9k\]: ko sux
hiops: no, b just cant kill
Baduk4you [5d\]: c11
hiops: c8 too unstable
manestor [9k\]: k1 ?
Baduk4you [5d\]: b should get strong on the left to play b7
MyEyes [1d\]: k1 is really basd
hiops: b7 b6 a5 c7 b8 d8 
MyEyes [1d\]: as white can ignore it for ko
hiops: just too unstable
Baduk4you [5d\]: thats why c11^^
hiops: if b runs then w will get d7 
]
;B[bm]C[MyEyes [1d\]: oh
Baduk4you [5d\]: hmm
ChinesePlr [?\]: I was right
djifmaster [5k\]: haha lol
silver2k4 [5d?\]: kill kill
]
;W[el]C[ChinesePlr [?\]: I'm a genius
mithra [?\]: maybe preparing with D10
]
;B[em]C[mithra [?\]: ups
hiops: wow
MyEyes [1d\]: w j5?
manestor [9k\]: ???????
hiops: that was a fast reply
]
;W[bn]C[mithra [?\]: the show begins!!
Baduk4you [5d\]: there is no show
Baduk4you [5d\]: w is alive now
silver2k4 [5d?\]: really?
ChinesePlr [?\]: W dead
Striker [-\]: going to be peaceful again, like upper right ^^
Locn4r [3d?\]: alive :)
teddywawa [5k\]: c7dangerous?
EaglesEye [1d\]: not sure at all he's dead
MyEyes [1d\]: upper right was obviously a "no no" to try and kill
ChinesePlr [?\]: c7 doesn't work
Midian [9k\]: Why is w dead?
Baduk4you [5d\]: a4 only chance
hiops: nice try though b
EaglesEye [1d\]: yeah alive
silver2k4 [5d?\]: yes a4, w can atleast connect underneath
silver2k4 [5d?\]: b9 seems sente
silver2k4 [5d?\]: no c9 maybe
Striker [-\]: how about the corner?
silver2k4 [5d?\]: hm right
silver2k4 [5d?\]: so a4 now
]
;B[es]C[MyEyes [1d\]: w c7 seems a must
mithra [?\]: ?
pagapont [1k\]: hm
]
;W[io]C[EaglesEye [1d\]: c7
Striker [-\]: c7 a 1d must ^^
EaglesEye [1d\]: appearently ^^
pagapont [1k\]: i liked b9
]
;B[fs]
;W[hq]
;B[jp]C[MyEyes [1d\]: how come that I feel like Striker is not even 1d
pagapont [1k\]: n1
Striker [-\]: :P
]
;W[aq]C[pagapont [1k\]: :)
silver2k4 [5d?\]: now w is alive imo
]
;B[ar]C[pagapont [1k\]: saying the obvious moves to get credit :p
hiops: waahahahaha
]
;W[ao]
;B[ap]C[hiops: w stole b's cake
]
;W[in]C[pagapont [1k\]: hm
linkai1 [2d\]: so many local threats
]
;B[im]
;W[aq]C[pagapont [1k\]: isn't this a dble ko?
EaglesEye [1d\]: we 1d are chicken
]
;B[gr]C[pagapont [1k\]: sort of
]
;W[hs]
;B[ap]
;W[hm]C[hiops: w+res
pagapont [1k\]: y res?
svgo [3k\]: this seems like a strange ko to start for white
hiops: cause b can count
Uberdude [1d\]: b could tenuki?
Iink [-\]: register 1st, than chat
hiops: too bad you cant stop me from chatting, link
Iink [-\]: is just a tip
]
;B[il]
;W[aq]C[hiops: i dont force anyone to read what i write, though as weird as it is my "w seems alive" when everyone said b7 kills!!! was correct
linkai1 [2d\]: w killing the corner looks fun
]
;B[br]C[djifmaster [5k\]: white should play b2 instead of filling the ko
EaglesEye [1d\]: if b misses the kill, he will lose
]
;W[ms]
;B[ap]C[linkai1 [2d\]: direct ko now ;)
]
;W[hn]C[MyEyes [1d\]: hm?
pagapont [1k\]: w has threats
]
;B[fl]
;W[aq]C[Hannover08 [-\]: 2nd byoyomi period for w
linkai1 [2d\]: k1
pagapont [1k\]: do they lose pts in boyomi?
EaglesEye [1d\]: k1
]
;B[js]
;W[ks]C[Hannover08 [-\]: no
pagapont [1k\]: k
pagapont [1k\]: ty
ChinesePlr [?\]: T10
teddywawa [5k\]: lol, what was that
hiops: cause its more pt
]
(;B[os]C[MyEyes [1d\]: why did white n1 instead of k1?
])
(;B[ap]
;W[os]C[pagapont [1k\]: and also threat
hiops: threat anyways
]
;B[pr]C[linkai1 [2d\]: nice threat.
]
;W[gm]
;B[fn]
;W[aq]
;B[nl]
;W[nm]C[Midian [9k\]: Very interesting fight
]
;B[ap]C[pagapont [1k\]: hmmm
Uberdude [1d\]: g7 ?
pagapont [1k\]: y did w waste a threat here?
MyEyes [1d\]: why g7?
Uberdude [1d\]: why waste a threat
MyEyes [1d\]: :D
batgirl [1d\]: h0
silver2k4 [5d?\]: nice
linkai1 [2d\]: double threat*
batgirl [1d\]: h9
pagapont [1k\]: or is it wrong order by hannover maybe
linkai1 [2d\]: maybe,
Hannover08 [-\]: they are too fast
pagapont [1k\]: yea
Striker [-\]: :(
Hannover08 [-\]: i've lost the thread^^
pagapont [1k\]: :)
pagapont [1k\]: no u're pretty good
MyEyes [1d\]: ^^
pagapont [1k\]: some other times
ChinesePlr [?\]: np
MyEyes [1d\]: BAD
batgirl [1d\]: then live reporting
pagapont [1k\]: u'd see passes all the time!
]
;W[gk]C[teddywawa [5k\]: t10 a threat?
]
;B[hk]C[EaglesEye [1d\]: h9 looks fine
]
;W[hl]
;B[hj]C[Morla [5d\]: g9 better
linkai1 [2d\]: b in trouble ;)
EaglesEye [1d\]: w wasting threats
silver2k4 [5d?\]: t11 big thread
linkai1 [2d\]: he's trying to catch up
pagapont [1k\]: no he's not
pagapont [1k\]: yea
hiops: its out of order folks.....
linkai1 [2d\]: not same order
Midian [9k\]: Weiß könnte sich doch retten... oder seh ich das falsch??
linkai1 [2d\]: w may think this is not a ko anymore either
linkai1 [2d\]: chance to get out / kill b left dragon
kairos [-\]: the scribe lost track
hiops: learn 2 read..... geez
teddywawa [5k\]: if w alive, b res?
]
;W[fk]
;B[ml]
;W[lm]C[Hannover08 [-\]: sorry this is wrong order but right position
ChinesePlr [?\]:  N8 ?
]
;B[ek]
;W[fj]
;B[gl]C[pagapont [1k\]: w has to be playing the ko now..
MyEyes [1d\]: is the ko in the lower left like that on the board?
Hannover08 [-\]: yes
]
;W[dk]C[MyEyes [1d\]: ah
]
;B[ej]C[MyEyes [1d\]: w alive now
pagapont [1k\]: >
pagapont [1k\]: ?
linkai1 [2d\]: nice, w alive now
EaglesEye [1d\]: w 5d wins for sure
]
;W[fi]C[linkai1 [2d\]: 很利害
]
;B[dl]C[ChinesePlr [?\]: en~
MyEyes [1d\]: hm?
Striker [-\]: ^^
MyEyes [1d\]: must be really fast byoyomi
hiops: why didmt w d8 
flott [8k\]: w alive??
MyEyes [1d\]: because there is a black stone
]
;W[ci]C[hiops: i wont even comment on that -.-
pagapont [1k\]: shouldn't b get into the ko now
Goreon [1k\]: A7
EaglesEye [1d\]: probably
linkai1 [2d\]: why is white going for big potatoes here
linkai1 [2d\]: he doesn't need it
]
;B[ei]C[mithra [?\]: W must kill B for life
]
;W[fh]C[MyEyes [1d\]: or win the ko :D
mithra [?\]: yes
pagapont [1k\]: or just make eye ye
linkai1 [2d\]: jjust win the ko
flott [8k\]: ok
inochi [-\]: ko isnt enough now 
pagapont [1k\]: but b5 kills eye
pagapont [1k\]: and threatens to connect 
pagapont [1k\]: for b
jjermann [2k\]: now w has a lot more threats
jjermann [2k\]: with the J8 group
linkai1 [2d\]: hannover, when did they stop playing the ko
Striker [-\]: how about b time?
Hannover08 [-\]: b 3 minutes until byoyomi
Striker [-\]: thx
EaglesEye [1d\]: 15 moves per 5min ?
]
;B[eh]C[Hannover08 [-\]: 20
teddywawa [5k\]: holy
zaphodb [2d\]: progressive?
Hannover08 [-\]: no
zaphodb [2d\]: thx
linkai1 [2d\]: canadian?
Hannover08 [-\]: yes
]
;W[fg]C[EaglesEye [1d\]: 20 moves per 5min is very fast
linkai1 [2d\]: another solution is to turn the entire thing into a seki.,
linkai1 [2d\]: there are still 4 internal libs
xmikex [11k\]: 15 seconds?
hiops: b got no eye
teddywawa [5k\]: b i danger
hiops: cant be seki
teddywawa [5k\]: in
]
;B[bo]C[Uberdude [1d\]: b can get eye
]
;W[ik]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: go jin zou!
jjermann [2k\]: but b has so many liberties?
]
;B[jk]C[linkai1 [2d\]: w+resign
]
;W[bp]C[linkai1 [2d\]: haha
]
;B[eg]
;W[ef]C[teddywawa [5k\]: not yet not yet
]
;B[bo]C[MyEyes [1d\]: w kills in semeai
]
;W[jl]
;B[jm]C[pagapont [1k\]: mm
Hannover08 [-\]: w in 3rd byoyomi period now
]
;W[bp]C[pagapont [1k\]: i think j10 better than k7
Striker [-\]: time to think ^^
linkai1 [2d\]: no
Hannover08 [-\]: see rules plz
pagapont [1k\]: w gets j11 threat now, which is useful
EaglesEye [1d\]: b should have ignored threat and let live imo
Uberdude [1d\]: paga both give another threat
linkai1 [2d\]: then more threats to cut off mid b group
Im28K [1d?\]: c9 
linkai1 [2d\]: no, j10 gives even more
pagapont [1k\]: yea but j11 is useful no?
Uberdude [1d\]: though i suppose j11 is more useful yes
]
;B[ff]C[linkai1 [2d\]: if b played j11 then w could push and cut L11 as threats
Uberdude [1d\]: in going for kill w gave b more threats
jjermann [2k\]: tenuki possible?
hiops: j11 j10 b9 
jjermann [2k\]: after j11 eg
]
;W[bk]C[MyEyes [1d\]: yeah
fujichan [3k\]: A7 no ?
MyEyes [1d\]: game over
pagapont [1k\]: em
xmikex [11k\]: i don't see how w kills, b has 3 more liberties? so has to win ko first?
linkai1 [2d\]: w doesn't even have to kill,
pagapont [1k\]:  g14?
MyEyes [1d\]: w has an eye
MyEyes [1d\]: b doesn'T
linkai1 [2d\]: b has 20 points of territory
teddywawa [5k\]: g14?
fujichan [3k\]: but A7 kil no ? after I don't know who win the semeai
pagapont [1k\]: ok see
silver2k4 [5d?\]: b cant win semeai
Hannover08 [-\]: b is in byoyomi now too
pagapont [1k\]: now J10 woulda been better
pagapont [1k\]:  :)
Saber [?\]: g14 doesnt work because of H11
jjermann [2k\]: w has about 7 liberties and b about 6?
linkai1 [2d\]: inside libs important
jjermann [2k\]: I'm not sure how to count
EaglesEye [1d\]: a7 semeai
fujichan [3k\]: ah ok
jjermann [2k\]: eg G2 ko?
MyEyes [1d\]: it is semeai anyway now :D
fujichan [3k\]: ans who win this ?^^
linkai1 [2d\]: ko at G2, ko at O1, ko possibly at E8
MyEyes [1d\]: but black needs to defend
EaglesEye [1d\]: no b can choose to take F12 and let w live
linkai1 [2d\]: b cannot win semeai
MyEyes [1d\]: b can't capture those stones
zaphodb [2d\]: h13 looks difficult
ultraprout: teddy g14 doesnt work, g14 -> h11
Cor [1k\]: F12 is uncapturable
fujichan [3k\]: but black win the semeai no?
MyEyes [1d\]: h13 doesn't work as well
jjermann [2k\]: I don't think so
zaphodb [2d\]: plz show
jjermann [2k\]: fujichan: w has more liberties iirc
EaglesEye [1d\]: you're joking of course he can take f12
pagapont [1k\]: man su yang is strong
teddywawa [5k\]: h13
Baduk4you [5d\]: w cant lose. there is a double ko at the end
MyEyes [1d\]: he can't
pagapont [1k\]: i once saw a game of his, H9 against 1k, pretty impressive
linkai1 [2d\]: yes, baduk is correct - double ko
celebrir [2k\]: f10 is not catchable ?
silver2k4 [5d?\]: there is a little chance for superko position here
MyEyes [1d\]: EaglesEye he can'T capture F12 stones
]
;B[hg]C[linkai1 [2d\]: orly?
jjermann [2k\]: w should first have played J11
zaphodb [2d\]: now your turn MyEyes
ChinesePlr [?\]: oh ! he found the divine move
celebrir [2k\]: Sorry, I overread this^^°
Baduk4you [5d\]: doesnt work
zaphodb [2d\]: pzl show
zaphodb [2d\]: plz
linkai1 [2d\]: could kill w right stones...
MyEyes [1d\]: w g14
fujichan [3k\]:  W A7 for a ko, no ?
fujichan [3k\]: B8 is better
MyEyes [1d\]: g14 f15 g13 h14 h15 g15 h12 j13 j12 k13 k12 
]
;W[gf]
;B[fe]C[MyEyes [1d\]: white saves these stones
]
;W[hh]C[PhiEQ8x4 [10k\]: wie siehts mit der zeit aus?
Saber [?\]: your sequence got ruined myeyes.
Striker [-\]: beide byoyomi
silver2k4 [5d?\]: oups
]
;B[gg]C[PhiEQ8x4 [10k\]: uiiuu
]
;W[gh]
;B[ig]
;W[ih]
;B[jg]
;W[jh]C[jjermann [2k\]: another semeai? ^^
pagapont [1k\]: nah
]
;B[jf]C[pagapont [1k\]: alive
teddywawa [5k\]: nah
silver2k4 [5d?\]: now resign
linkai1 [2d\]: 太复杂了
MyEyes [1d\]: was has much more libertys than b
Uberdude [1d\]: it seems jeff is reading well today
]
;W[kg]C[pagapont [1k\]: sometimes he doesn't?
Uberdude [1d\]: i like how b centre got no points
Uberdude [1d\]: yes paga
Uberdude [1d\]: i outread him once =)
pagapont [1k\]: mmm really?
]
;B[am]C[pagapont [1k\]: eheh
pagapont [1k\]: :)
linkai1 [2d\]: I like how the entire board is one capturing race now
MyEyes [1d\]: me too :D
silver2k4 [5d?\]: only chance for b is now a super ko
ChinesePlr [?\]: But  B never resign
Im28K [1d?\]: no internal ko
linkai1 [2d\]: Super Ko FTW
Goreon [1k\]: 1eye vs no eye
Denniskutl [2d\]: what superko?
AngLHeart [?\]: where super ko O_o
EaglesEye [1d\]: once b j15, w group not fully alive
MyEyes [1d\]: w b8 ftw
]
;W[bl]C[linkai1 [2d\]: gg
linkai1 [2d\]: re?
hiops: w won
MyEyes [1d\]: congrtaulations to suyang
]
;B[bo]C[linkai1 [2d\]: ?
Hannover08 [-\]: game is not over
]
;W[cm]C[celebrir [2k\]: woulkd be nice if Jin wins now^^
]
;B[an]
;W[ck]C[Iink [-\]: black is dead
]
;B[je]C[romain [2d\]: impossible
Iink [-\]: one eye kills no eye..
romain [2d\]: (to win)
MyEyes [1d\]: so basically the game is over
Sponge7 [2d\]: these guys are ninjas
linkai1 [2d\]: this is definitely ninja go.
hiops: but u cant ninja a ninja
linkai1 [2d\]: I'm glad I'm going to China with this guy.
Striker [-\]: no, ninjas are japanese ^^
linkai1 [2d\]: I want to ninja
]
;W[dg]C[Uberdude [1d\]: jeff is a very nice guy =) you should have fun
]
;B[jd]
;W[md]
;B[ne]
;W[kc]C[Striker [-\]: jeff is great
]
;B[jc]
;W[lb]C[Striker [-\]: and his teaching is perfect
]
;B[jb]C[MyEyes [1d\]: jeff is going for the big kill :D
hiops: yep
]
;W[ba]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: b can get a ko
pagapont [1k\]: what big kill?
]
;B[ke]C[romain [2d\]: white is going for yose :)
]
;W[ld]
;B[mc]
;W[lc]
;B[si]
;W[sj]
;B[la]
;W[ma]
;B[ka]C[linkai1 [2d\]: M14
Hannover08 [-\]: w+time
Hannover08 [-\]: game over
pagapont [1k\]: mmm
Striker [-\]: ^^
djifmaster [5k\]: lol
batgirl [1d\]: oki
pagapont [1k\]: gg
MyEyes [1d\]: :D
Striker [-\]: w win anyway
ChinesePlr [?\]: M D R
Striker [-\]: great game
pagapont [1k\]: thx Hannover
linkai1 [2d\]: masterpiece
batgirl [1d\]: thank for this transmission^^
Skadi [1k?\]: aber s hat den letzten zug gemacht ...
MyEyes [1d\]: w a rubbish end to this great game :D
Midian [9k\]: AOh mann oO
Hannover08 [-\]: cu tomorrow
Striker [-\]: hannover, bestell su yang mal schöne grüße ;)
ChinesePlr [?\]: B's moves were not enough divines
MyEyes [1d\]: auch von mir
credit: thank you Hangover
Striker [-\]: :)
pagapont [1k\]: hangover lol
Hannover08 [-\]: HanGoVer is right, that's our room on KGS ;-)
Baduk4you [5d\]: b was ahead by 4
credit: :)
Baduk4you [5d\]: w
Baduk4you [5d\]: sorry
Striker [-\]: :)
Striker [-\]: so close
credit: great game
Baduk4you [5d\]: w has to capture f7
Hannover08 [-\]: good night, see you tomorrow 10:00 CEST (08:00 GMT)
Hannover08 [-\]: ...4th round
Striker [-\]: su yang 3-0 ?
Hannover08 [-\]: yes 3:0
Striker [-\]: thx
Striker [-\]: bye bye
Striker [-\]: :)
Hannover08 [-\]: bye
])))
