(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[4500]OT[20/300 Canadian]
GN[Messeturnier Hannover, Round 4, Board 1]PW[Vladimir Danek]PB[Yang Su]WR[5d]BR[5d]DT[2008-04-20]EV[Messeturnier Hannover]RO[4]PC[WWW.hannover-go.de]
;B[dd]
;W[pp]
;B[pd]
;W[cp]
;B[qn]
;W[nq]C[dal [-\]: Su Yang vs Danek?
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;B[rp]C[Hannover08 [-\]: True
dal [-\]: Who is B?
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;W[cf]C[Hannover08 [-\]: Su Yang
mugamushin [2k?\]: sind beide noch verlustpunktfrei?
Hannover08 [-\]: Meines Wissens ja.
mugamushin [2k?\]: danke
rockL [5d\]: i bet 100 KGS-dollars on D11
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;B[ch]C[kairos [-\]: lost :)
rockL [5d\]: i will win them back
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;W[cc]
;B[cd]
;W[dc]C[mugamushin [2k?\]: you ca dend the money via paypal to....
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;B[ed]
;W[bd]
;B[be]C[mugamushin [2k?\]: can send
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;W[bc]
;B[ce]
;W[fc]C[rockL [5d\]: paypal doesn't handle KGS-dollars
mugamushin [2k?\]: ups^^
rockL [5d\]: in fact, only I do
silver2k4 [5d?\]: how much is 100 kgs dollar in € :)
rockL [5d\]: close to 10 euro cents
silver2k4 [5d?\]: nicht so viele zuschauer heute
kairos [-\]: zu früh :)
rockL [5d\]: i would like c9
mugamushin [2k?\]: e4
rockL [5d\]: me and Lee Changho
silver2k4 [5d?\]: c9 is normal, in case ur lee changho
silver2k4 [5d?\]: (looks slow for me)
silver2k4 [5d?\]: e3
MyEyes [1d\]: Hannover can you cheer at Su Yang for me? :D
MyEyes [1d\]: Tell him it'S big nils from china, he will know :D
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;B[hc]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: hi nils
Hannover08 [-\]: After the game.
MyEyes [1d\]: kk :D
MyEyes [1d\]: btw. how much coke does jeff have left?
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;W[fd]
;B[fe]
;W[ge]
;B[ff]
;W[gf]
;B[fg]
;W[nc]C[Hannover08 [-\]: Enough. Coke is available at the tournament.
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;B[eb]
;W[ec]
;B[fb]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: and red bull?
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;W[jc]C[Hannover08 [-\]: No idea.
mugamushin [2k?\]: wer mag schon aufgelöste gummibärchenß
silver2k4 [5d?\]: nein das sind stierhoden
mugamushin [2k?\]: is klar...
MyEyes [1d\]: ^^
just9x9 [-\]: wasn das fürn komisches joseki da oben links?
silver2k4 [5d?\]: du kennst es
MyEyes [1d\]: jemand der nur 9x9 spielt muss doch garnix über joseki wissen
just9x9 [-\]: 9x9 ist ein einziges joseki ;)
silver2k4 [5d?\]: es war doch ein joseki mit 9x9
silver2k4 [5d?\]: ich meine das gibts da auch
silver2k4 [5d?\]: oder?
mugamushin [2k?\]: schwarz war nur unerwartet hartnäckig^^
just9x9 [-\]: 3/3 invasion nach starpoint und pincer vermute ich mal?
silver2k4 [5d?\]: geh auf optionen -> lokal betrachten
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;B[id]C[just9x9 [-\]: ja ich weiß zu faul :)
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;W[jd]
;B[ie]
;W[gg]C[MyEyes [1d\]: I dislike this for black
MyEyes [1d\]: I really much dislike this for black :D
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;B[fh]C[MyEyes [1d\]: Even as white is not alive in the corner yet this is bad
silver2k4 [5d?\]: er wollte das tenuki wohl einfach direkt bestrafen
just9x9 [-\]: d18 sente so w alive i guess
MyEyes [1d\]: so einfach wars wohl ned :D
MyEyes [1d\]: alive in got though
Nande [5k?\]: is su yang jeefchang?
silver2k4 [5d?\]: yes
MyEyes [1d\]: yes he is nande
Nande [5k?\]: thank you
just9x9 [-\]: alive in gote better than dead in sente :)
MyEyes [1d\]: not necessarily :D
silver2k4 [5d?\]: sometimes not
just9x9 [-\]: true true
MyEyes [1d\]: consider the ladder game of lee sedol and hong chang sik
silver2k4 [5d?\]: i like the ladder game :)
MyEyes [1d\]: me too
MyEyes [1d\]: most awesome game ever I think :D
silver2k4 [5d?\]: "don't try this at home" :D
MyEyes [1d\]: hehe
MyEyes [1d\]: I wonder if, when black has k15 cutting at g16 would be good enough
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;W[ig]C[inochi [-\]: where are results from this tournament on net? :>
MyEyes [1d\]: nowhere yet I guess
Hannover08 [-\]: Sorry, they aren't online
MyEyes [1d\]: oh really? :D
Moin9 [9k\]: moin
inochi [-\]: :(
PhiEQ8x4 [10k\]: moinsen
MyEyes [1d\]: moin moin :D lol
silver2k4 [5d?\]: k15.. maybe white won't gain from the attack, so it would be good for b
Moin9 [9k\]: :-)
MyEyes [1d\]: about what I thought
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;B[gc]C[MyEyes [1d\]: black might even get into a n attacking position
MyEyes [1d\]: as now the corner only has one eye
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;W[gd]
;B[je]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: yes
Oloril [5k\]: why is Byo-Yomi time so short?
MyEyes [1d\]: but q16 is weak at this point and j16 is also not what I would call a strong group
Nande [5k?\]: are they playing in germany?
Hannover08 [-\]: Yes.
Nande [5k?\]: thanks
silver2k4 [5d?\]: black get sente to play with q16 so it wont be weak
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;W[ic]
;B[hd]
;W[ke]C[MyEyes [1d\]: I don't get the reasoning silver :D
vivlom [13k\]: is this 5dan different from typical KGS 5dan?
Hannover08 [-\]: You can find the game Jin Zou - Yang Su in my info, if you missed it yesterday.
Schnell [1k\]: moyn silver
MyEyes [1d\]: particularly su yang is 9d on KGS
silver2k4 [5d?\]: l14 m15 k13 makes shape and b got his attack turn on white
Schnell [1k\]: hi all
silver2k4 [5d?\]: moin
Hannover08 [-\]: This are not dan ratings.
Hannover08 [-\]: This are not KGS-dan ratings.
vivlom [13k\]: k, that's what I thought
silver2k4 [5d?\]: its chinese 5d and euro 5d i think
MyEyes [1d\]: silver, if b l14 white can k14
silver2k4 [5d?\]: yes i know :) sth. changed on the board i missed it
MyEyes [1d\]: ^^
MyEyes [1d\]: w exchanged j17 :D
silver2k4 [5d?\]: ye
MyEyes [1d\]: b in trouble
Goreon [1k\]: Is there a WebSite for the tourney?
MyEyes [1d\]: does b win the semeai if he exchanges d18 first?
MyEyes [1d\]: d18 c18 k13 k14 j14 l14 h13 j12 g12?
Muttley [1k\]: black is whoo strong in that case ;)
Muttley [1k\]: about KGS 8 dan
silver2k4 [5d?\]: i dont think b can win the semeai
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;B[ib]
;W[jb]
;B[ga]C[Muttley [1k\]: what semeai?
MyEyes [1d\]: ah
MyEyes [1d\]: now black has sente
Muttley [1k\]: doesn't white have sente?
MyEyes [1d\]: white has to protect
MyEyes [1d\]: as otherwise g14 group will be weak
Muttley [1k\]: protect what?
silver2k4 [5d?\]: not really, as white can live too
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;W[db]C[Midian [9k\]: I think whites group isn't so weak
MyEyes [1d\]: oh d18-d19 exchange?
silver2k4 [5d?\]: i would take d18 sente
silver2k4 [5d?\]: oh ye
silver2k4 [5d?\]: white made a good attack on b
MyEyes [1d\]: ^^ I am not as strong as silver
silver2k4 [5d?\]: hannover08, does su yang look a little tired? :)
MyEyes [1d\]: I can either read variations are the state of groups but not both at once :D
Muttley [1k\]: b needs to H18 or E19 to live ..
Hannover08 [-\]: At 11:00 am?  Not to me.
MyEyes [1d\]: Maybe he drank too much lst night :D
silver2k4 [5d?\]: he wont loose anyway
Muttley [1k\]: looks like white really needs sente here :)
MyEyes [1d\]: I think so too
Hannover08 [-\]: No, he don't look tired.
Shicho [5k\]: b have enough eyes, here?
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;B[ea]C[MyEyes [1d\]: you mean like 2? :D
Shicho [5k\]: +
MyEyes [1d\]: what does it look like :D
Muttley [1k\]: yes, b lives
silver2k4 [5d?\]: lol
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;W[qf]C[Muttley [1k\]: bigger question is what white does with sente :)
Muttley [1k\]: hehehe, top right :0
MyEyes [1d\]: obviously
Cannabinol [-\]: not enough eyes for a big omelette
MyEyes [1d\]: exploting that black tenukied
Muttley [1k\]: not so obviously ...
MyEyes [1d\]: *punches cannabinol*
Muttley [1k\]: hehehe :)
Cannabinol [-\]: *evades*
MyEyes [1d\]: well mutley, blacks C12 group is strong, so no attack there
silver2k4 [5d?\]: i wonder if he can just O16
MyEyes [1d\]: to aim at the l16 weakness?
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;B[pf]
;W[pg]
;B[of]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: no o16 do make w's stones cramped
MyEyes [1d\]: kk I see
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;W[qm]C[MyEyes [1d\]: huh?
vivlom [13k\]: I'm surprised white doesn't bother expanding on what he has, rather tham make claims on black land
vivlom [13k\]: based on currrent ownershipt doesn't he have the ad?
MyEyes [1d\]: that's not a reason to give white some presents :D
vivlom [13k\]: heh
silver2k4 [5d?\]: no w isnt so bad here i would say
silver2k4 [5d?\]: black i mean
MyEyes [1d\]: just what I though
MyEyes [1d\]: isn'T there a line with the r7 attachment, where black can hurt the r14 stones now?
MyEyes [1d\]: I think so
silver2k4 [5d?\]: i dont think black need to follow w's plan and play joseki :)
MyEyes [1d\]: :D:D:D
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;B[pm]
;W[ql]
;B[rn]C[MyEyes [1d\]: on the high dan ranks there are no joseki anyway, as the overall board situation is more important to them as local advantages :D
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;W[qq]
;B[pl]
;W[qk]
;B[po]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: shhh. dont let the kyu hear that
MyEyes [1d\]: *shuts his mouth*
MyEyes [1d\]: :D
vivlom [13k\]: that's obvious, thanks
silver2k4 [5d?\]: hehe
neophyte [7k\]: so joseki is null and void
MyEyes [1d\]: is w r12 good enough?
threedim [3k\]: to me r12 feels a bit slow with this
threedim [3k\]: but im just 3k
Cannabinol [-\]: kyus just cant judge the globle position well enough.
MyEyes [1d\]: neophyte, joseki is necessary, as long as you can't read deep enough :D
vivlom [13k\]: no not really. I think it's more like several joseki are playing off each other all the time
silver2k4 [5d?\]: black definetly likes strong positions
MyEyes [1d\]: I guess Black will fight for the center later on
Cannabinol [-\]: I cant see a b center.
silver2k4 [5d?\]: white doesnt have anything yet, b has a thick position left to develop
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;W[qe]
;B[qd]C[MyEyes [1d\]: black is taking influence everywhere
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;W[og]C[MyEyes [1d\]: r13 testing move?
MyEyes [1d\]: ah no aji keshi
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;B[nd]C[neophyte [7k\]: black wins
vivlom [13k\]: hhahaha
silver2k4 [5d?\]: i dont think w can secure and get sente again. it feels too unstable
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;W[oc]C[MyEyes [1d\]: q15 r12 n16 ?
MyEyes [1d\]: really bad shape though
silver2k4 [5d?\]: white sings "gimme gimme more"
MyEyes [1d\]: and as we all know, that's not succesfull :D
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;B[od]C[MyEyes [1d\]: or who has that single?
MyEyes [1d\]: :D
just9x9 [-\]: how much time left for both players?
rockL [5d\]: is it just me or does this look really bad for b?
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;W[ia]
;B[hb]
;W[mc]C[MyEyes [1d\]: it does rockL
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;B[pb]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: i dont think so
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;W[pc]
;B[qc]
;W[ob]C[rockL [5d\]: w has like 40+komi
lieorrt: w is better no?
silver2k4 [5d?\]: how do you count that?
rockL [5d\]: roughly
akoetou [6k?\]: wheww..
silver2k4 [5d?\]: b has really good endgame imo and is thick
haaaab: danek is strong
Striker [-\]: isn't danek 6d?
lieorrt: danek is the guy who beat dinerstein?
Hannover08 [-\]: Black has about 35 minutes left, white has about 45 minutes left.
Hannover08 [-\]: The tournament list say 5d.
just9x9 [-\]: thx hannover
rockL [5d\]: he was demoted
rockL [5d\]: used to be 6d
Striker [-\]: oh, i see
Cannabinol [-\]: you can get demoted?
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;B[le]C[Striker [-\]: in czech maybe you can
rockL [5d\]: maybe he did it himself, i dont know
rockL [5d\]: but i somehow doubt it
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;W[ci]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: oh
MyEyes [1d\]: huh?
akoetou [6k?\]: againt
silver2k4 [5d?\]: w really want to control what b gets
lieorrt: wth was that?
MyEyes [1d\]: this smells like overplay
WhiteAngel [?\]: Will be White under attack?
silver2k4 [5d?\]: no white angel will be hurt :)
jwc [-\]: c17 not alive yet
Striker [-\]: any dan-player here know a nice answer?
MyEyes [1d\]: c17 can live in gote and is connected to the center
MyEyes [1d\]: so no worrys
Violence [?\]: I would just tenuki
MyEyes [1d\]: tenuki sounds bad
Striker [-\]: yes ^^
MyEyes [1d\]: as white will destroy blacks thickness
Violence [?\]: Black needs to play fast, imo, he's behind in cash.
FunkyDrops [2d\]: tenuki not possible
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;B[bi]C[MyEyes [1d\]: he is ahead in influence though
Violence [?\]: Or after this hane exchange, tenuki
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;W[bh]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: su yang is master in endgame
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;B[bg]C[Violence [?\]: I just don't like things locally here. It feels too overconcentrated, which seems to be white's plan.
Striker [-\]: no, master in troublesome fights
akoetou [6k?\]: white another thickness?
MyEyes [1d\]: what do you mean by another?
silver2k4 [5d?\]: no it doesnt feel overconcentrated, just thick
lieorrt: useless comment
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;W[kd]C[WhiteAngel [?\]: probe?
MyEyes [1d\]: white's thickness there would be gote
WhiteAngel [?\]: c11 i mean
MyEyes [1d\]: if you call a filled triangle thickness
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;B[cj]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: yes it was a probe
silver2k4 [5d?\]: man, su yang really develops slowly
Striker [-\]: he is still sleepy ^^
MyEyes [1d\]: slowly but steady :D
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;W[pk]
;B[qg]C[lieorrt: c4 is in a very good place
lieorrt: no nice  approach
MyEyes [1d\]: ...
Meloku [-\]: I was thinkings exactly the same ^^
Ondatra [?\]: C14 is lost, I shoud secure left. And try to catch top black group.
MyEyes [1d\]: lol
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;W[rg]
;B[qh]
;W[rh]C[Striker [-\]: mh
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;B[ng]
;W[ph]
;B[oh]
;W[qi]
;B[eq]
;W[cm]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: d6
lieorrt: i wonder how b will use his thickness in the left
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;B[lq]C[MyEyes [1d\]: now b makes good use of his thicknedd now
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;W[rq]
;B[nr]
;W[oq]C[MyEyes [1d\]: b p2?
FunkyDrops [2d\]: p2 makes black get gote
lieorrt: p2 seq. will end up with w k3
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;B[mo]
;W[oo]
;B[on]
;W[qo]
;B[pn]
;W[no]
;B[nn]
;W[mn]
;B[mm]
;W[ln]
;B[lo]
;W[lm]C[Striker [-\]: so fast
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;B[ml]C[Goreon [1k\]: Whats the score in this tournament
Goreon [1k\]: ?
Hannover08 [-\]: What do you mean, Goreon?
Violence [?\]: H4?
Goreon [1k\]: wie der spielstand ist vom gesmaten turnier
Goreon [1k\]: wer noch chancen hat...
Goreon [1k\]: gibt da ne seite
Goreon [1k\]: ?
Hannover08 [-\]: No, there is no page with the results.
Hannover08 [-\]: I will try to bring one online after this game.
Goreon [1k\]: ok thx
Goreon [1k\]: is sum at the tournament?
Hannover08 [-\]: To my knowledge, both players won all their games.
Goreon [1k\]: oh
lieorrt: how many each?
Goreon [1k\]: (robert jasiek)
Hannover08 [-\]: Jin Zou is here, but Robert Jasiek isn't
Hannover08 [-\]: The 5th game will probably be Danek against Jin Zoi.
PudelsKern [4d\]: did jin zhou lose to yang su?
just9x9 [-\]: how much time for both now?
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;W[ll]C[Hannover08 [-\]: Yes, lost on time yesterday. The game is available in my info.
PudelsKern [4d\]: ah thanks
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;B[mk]C[moah [13k?\]: is this some kind of live tournament?
DerElefant [11k?\]: yes
moah [13k?\]: thanks
lieorrt: now comes the decisive move
Hannover08 [-\]: Black :25 min , White 15 min.
Kizumi888 [15k\]: th
Kizumi888 [15k\]: x
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;W[hp]
;B[jo]C[lieorrt: uh la la
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;W[lk]C[Meloku [-\]: to me W looks ahead; or at least he's got a better position
lieorrt: but what is gonna happen to these 2 weak w groups?
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;B[mj]C[MyEyes [1d\]: which weak groups?
lieorrt: h4 and m7 
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;W[di]C[KillooQ [4k\]: m7 not so weak at all
Meloku [-\]: M7 is going to die if D3's caught I believe
just9x9 [-\]: nice h4 breaks ladder
silver2k4 [5d?\]: d11? whats that
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;B[bk]C[Meloku [-\]: only makes B stronger doesnt it
MyEyes [1d\]: think so too
silver2k4 [5d?\]: a present
mstarsup5 [4d?\]: D11= let's make another weak group for the fun of it?
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;W[il]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: less than 3 weak groups = no go
tiger1 [1k\]: 3 weak groups = lost the game
zc3k [1k\]: h3
MyEyes [1d\]: h3 is too small
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;B[in]C[MyEyes [1d\]: and no danger anymore for w
Meloku [-\]: Cho U once managed to live with 7 separated groups. He lost the game though
MyEyes [1d\]: living itself is not a problem if you don'T care about points
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;W[fp]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: j11 for black would look nice
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;B[ij]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: or j10
silver2k4 [5d?\]: :)
lieorrt: wow
Striker [-\]: ^^
MyEyes [1d\]: now white has a problem
lieorrt: i would play e4
KillooQ [4k\]: it seems they care more about the middle instead the corners?
lieorrt: w can still escape i think
MyEyes [1d\]: notice that the UL Corner only lives in got
silver2k4 [5d?\]: e4 would even kill the stone properly
MyEyes [1d\]: *gote
mstarsup5 [4d?\]: let' bet on which group W is gonna sacrifice... ;-)
silver2k4 [5d?\]: wouldnt*
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;W[ep]C[lieorrt: yesss
akoetou [6k?\]: b18 or escape?
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;B[hh]C[lieorrt: mouhaha
MyEyes [1d\]: m7 should die now
lieorrt: b must be a little pissed off
lieorrt: e3 was the last thing to give up
Violence [?\]: L11?
silver2k4 [5d?\]: theres enough aji for e3
MyEyes [1d\]: I think there is still away to live in the corner  :D
mstarsup5 [4d?\]: B18 lives, but what about M7?
MyEyes [1d\]: that's the whole issue :D
mstarsup5 [4d?\]: looks difficult... let's see how W handles it
MyEyes [1d\]: I think if b get's h7 it's a sure kill
Ondatra [?\]: L13?
MyEyes [1d\]: and if white doesn't protect UL now
MyEyes [1d\]: white will have two weak groups
ponnuki79 [4k\]: does e19 really kill the L+1 group?
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;W[ba]C[ponnuki79 [4k\]: seems white doesnt think so
MyEyes [1d\]: l+1 group would be dead locally without e19 if white just plays a16, 'cause it would be a normal L-group
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;B[hm]C[Tyger [1d\]: akoetou, B19 is 3 points better then b18
MyEyes [1d\]: now white seems behind
silver2k4 [5d?\]: actually there is now nice endgame left at c19
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;W[el]C[WhiteAngel [?\]: furikavary?
Sandmann [4d\]: fury*
WhiteAngel [?\]: white want to sell L-group?
WhiteAngel [?\]: sorry :-[
MyEyes [1d\]: huh????
MyEyes [1d\]: you guys confuse me...
Sandmann [4d\]: lol
Sandmann [4d\]: furikawari that is
silver2k4 [5d?\]: what was it?
Sandmann [4d\]: yes what did you mean with that:P
Stelianos [16k\]: moin leutz
Stelianos [16k\]: ^^
Meloku [-\]: as I predicted ;D *feeling of uberleetness*
Stelianos [16k\]: wann hat das spiel angefangen?
silver2k4 [5d?\]: furikavary, sounds more stylish
Sandmann [4d\]: how do you pronounce it?
Striker [-\]: hannover, whats about the time?
silver2k4 [5d?\]: english
Hannover08 [-\]: ca. 10:20
PogoGo [9k\]: fury of awareness.
lieorrt: foureey aquawaureey
Striker [-\]: hrhr
Hannover08 [-\]: not byo-yomi up to now.
Striker [-\]: ok
Hannover08 [-\]: Sorry, can't see the clock at the moment.
Stelianos [16k\]: its 12:23 am
Striker [-\]: ...
Hannover08 [-\]: Joker.
Stelianos [16k\]: ^^
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;B[cq]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: su yang has won the tournament by now
lieorrt: ...
lieorrt: as if you read all the sequence
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;W[bq]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: i've read c3
akoetou [6k?\]: now, how to save m7 group? :-)
lieorrt: tell it then
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;B[dp]C[lieorrt: you read this move too?
Violence [?\]: I don't think black can live there...
saiiscool [3d\]: d5-d3-b2 now
saiiscool [3d\]: hard for b
lieorrt: yeah
Violence [?\]: but maybe this exchange can help increase aji on the outside
Violence [?\]: for the H7 group
lofuchi [3k\]: can b h2 then?
saiiscool [3d\]: sure
lieorrt: i wonder why b didnt b2 instead of d4
saiiscool [3d\]: or h7
Violence [?\]: if b2
Violence [?\]: b2 c2 d3 b1
Violence [?\]: and it still looks tough on black...
lieorrt: maybe it is because b2 d3 c2 d2 b4 b5 a3 h8 
saiiscool [3d\]: does b g9 kills the center group?
Ondatra [?\]: Lower side for black?
Violence [?\]: I don't think so..
Striker [-\]: how about Wc2?
jwc [-\]: c5?
]
;W[cr]C[Striker [-\]: so skillful ^^
]
;B[dq]C[Violence [?\]: now c5...
silver2k4 [5d?\]: strange by w
]
;W[co]C[Striker [-\]: tough fight
]
;B[do]C[saiiscool [3d\]: big aji now
Meloku [-\]: hes out
]
;W[dn]
;B[eo]C[Violence [?\]: G6?
lieorrt: i dont believe w played c2...
saiiscool [3d\]: c2 was a strange move
Striker [-\]: well, its a 4k move ;)
yumtum [2k?\]: but black would've lived no?
]
;W[fq]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: wow
lieorrt: this is so horrible for w
Potemk [8k\]: O.o
Koworu [8k?\]: who is playing? D:
saiiscool [3d\]: e7 now?
Koworu [8k?\]: ah ><
Striker [-\]: steht doch da
Meloku [-\]: his position looked so promosing to me
Koworu [8k?\]: ja
MyEyes [1d\]: stong at reading koworu
Koworu [8k?\]: habs gerade auch geschnallt
Koworu [8k?\]: noch zu früh lol
Violence [?\]: If white loses... I think c2 can be called a losing move
]
;B[en]
;W[gn]C[jwc [-\]: d11 more losing?
Meloku [-\]: D11 was bad not losing
lieorrt: you see, black's j10 was a mistake, he thought w will responde now he is selling the m7 group back for e3
MyEyes [1d\]: d7
saiiscool [3d\]: not over yet...
Striker [-\]: c2 was more like losing move
]
;B[dr]C[Meloku [-\]: can't believe a 5D C2'ed
lieorrt: me neither
silver2k4 [5d?\]: losing H4 or j8 is both losing the game for w
saiiscool [3d\]: b still not alive...
Striker [-\]: wanted to play Ko?
WhiteAngel [?\]: teasing move?
Infostuden [-\]: b1?
WhiteAngel [?\]: white Wants kill e5 group?
Doublewing [9k\]: think so
miao [7d\]: b jeff chang
saiiscool [3d\]: f2?
WhiteAngel [?\]: f7 maybe
lieorrt: b is alive in any case, w should look for a way to connect j8 safely
threedim [3k\]: if white wants to kill with f2 doesnt black just live with b2 easily?
lieorrt: b2 1 eye
threedim [3k\]: oh wait nvm he can play a2 first in response
lieorrt: this game is so sad....
Infostuden [-\]: no a2, b1
lieorrt: i wanted w to win
threedim [3k\]: infostuden: a2 b1 is still only 1 eye for black...
silver2k4 [5d?\]: no hes going for d7 atari and connect
]
;W[em]
;B[br]
;W[ar]
;B[bs]C[Violence [?\]: ko
threedim [3k\]: big ko
FunkyDrops [2d\]: no ko
silver2k4 [5d?\]: where?
chingu [4d?\]: no ko
Violence [?\]: err right.
]
;W[jq]C[threedim [3k\]: big ko if white had a move at c6
Violence [?\]: Not a ko.
Violence [?\]: this is game over
Hannover08 [-\]: Black enters the first Byo-Yomi
]
;B[iq]
;W[ip]
;B[jp]C[lieorrt: l2 
]
;W[ir]
;B[kq]
;W[ej]
;B[gm]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: uh
lieorrt: this is too painful for w
]
;W[jr]C[miao [7d\]: f9
]
;B[fr]
;W[gr]
;B[fk]
;W[ek]C[Lakitu [10k\]: whos winning?
]
;B[bn]C[lieorrt: b unfortunately
miao [7d\]: b
Lakitu [10k\]: ok thanks
silver2k4 [5d?\]: master yang
]
;W[cn]C[Midian [9k\]: Der war gut
Ryoji [2k\]: how are the the players doing, Hannover08?
Midian [9k\]: Von b
Stelianos [16k\]: b b4?
WhiteAngel [?\]: f6 f1 is miai?
]
;B[bm]
;W[dh]
;B[cg]C[threedim [3k\]: whiteangel: its triple miai... f6 f1 b4
WhiteAngel [?\]: :) f6 f7 f1 b4 ?
]
;W[cl]C[WhiteAngel [?\]: good for black 
PeterLE [3k\]: why do white not resign?
silver2k4 [5d?\]: g1?
Hallo [2k\]: am I overlooking something or is c6 and m8 dead? 
Kour [9k\]: now b4?
lieorrt: at least one of them
Moin9 [9k\]: b4 is good
chingu [4d?\]: b4 is bad
lieorrt: is dead
]
;B[bl]C[Moin9 [9k\]:  is bad?
Shock1989 [5k\]: b4 no need
Kour [9k\]: ok
threedim [3k\]: if white has f1 and b4... and if black plays at f7 white goes with the f6 cut and i dont think its too fun for black so no f7 is not part of the miai whiteangel
Moin9 [9k\]: but with b4 he can save his field
miao [7d\]: b5 seems better than b8
chingu [4d?\]: b4 loses either b4 or b6 stones
WhiteAngel [?\]: black can kill whole groupe?
PeterLE [3k\]: f1 and v4 are miai
WhiteAngel [?\]: *Can black kill...
]
;W[gk]C[PeterLE [3k\]: b4
Moin9 [9k\]: f8
miao [7d\]: b no need to kill
akoetou [6k?\]: try to save m7?
]
;B[fj]
;W[fl]
;B[gl]C[threedim [3k\]: well at least c5 is still alive
oe [3k\]: so is this a fighting empty triangle ?
Hallo [2k\]: as miao said no need to kill c5 ^^
javasalsa [2d\]: poorm9 
]
;W[dg]
;B[df]C[Hallo [2k\]: f11 g10 g11 h10 g12 l12 ?
]
;W[bo]
;B[gs]
;W[hs]
;B[fs]
;W[es]
;B[er]C[MyEyes [1d\]: no need to run halo
MyEyes [1d\]: white can live in gote
]
;W[fn]
;B[kf]C[Hannover08 [-\]: White enters the first Byo-Yomi
]
;W[fo]
;B[cs]C[saiiscool [3d\]: game over for w
]
;W[hi]C[Kanin [5d\]: true
]
;B[gj]
;W[kg]
;B[ih]C[Hannover08 [-\]: Black enters the 2nd Byo-Yomi
Kour [9k\]: b a5 seems fun
Hallo [2k\]: if w would win by time it would be very unfair imo
]
;W[if]C[MyEyes [1d\]: w will just connect if b a5
]
;B[ki]
;W[gh]C[WhiteAngel [?\]: a5 f7 miai
Oloril [5k\]: wait, what is the byo-yomi system, rules says 5:00/20
threedim [3k\]: im waiting for the day im watching a game on kgs and the person relaying says something like, "player a forgot to push his clock... player b has now spent 25 minutes of his opponents time on this move"
akoetou [6k?\]: lol
]
;B[gi]
;W[lf]
;B[mf]
;W[lg]
;B[ld]
;W[lc]
(;B[mr])
(;B[mq]C[threedim [3k\]: ive seen it happen at a tournament... the board right beside me someone forgot to hit the clock... 10 minutes later his opponent was saying thanks for the game cause he won on time
]
;W[li]
;B[lj]
;W[qb]
;B[rb]
;W[pa]C[silver2k4 [5d?\]: thats against the rule
]
;B[re]
;W[ra]
;B[rc]C[threedim [3k\]: how is it against the rules?
]
;W[or]C[Hallo [2k\]: chochikun lost a game because it was his opponents turn. was terrible :(
]
;B[hk]C[Hallo [2k\]: he thought it was his opponents turn but it was his
MyEyes [1d\]: actually yesterday jeff won against zou jin on time after zou jin made a move:D
Erstnick [2k\]: oh was it that professional who got tricked by a kid?
silver2k4 [5d?\]: ah that u mean
]
;W[mg]C[oe [3k\]: that happens if one thinks to much ;) 
]
;B[nf]
;W[ro]
;B[so]
;W[qp]
;B[sk]
;W[rk]
;B[sm]
;W[mr]
;B[ls]
;W[ns]
;B[si]
;W[rj]
;B[sj]C[Erstnick [2k\]: t11 looks very big
Hannover08 [-\]: White enters the 2nd Byo-Yomi
]
;W[oi]
;B[nh]
;W[ok]C[threedim [3k\]: i remember my first tournament ever we used analog clocks... my opponents clock never moved cause it was broken... told the guy in charge about 1 hour into the game
]
;B[eg]
;W[ol]
;B[nm]C[Erstnick [2k\]: omg
]
;W[hn]
;B[im]
;W[jh]
;B[ji]
(;W[ii])
(;W[hg]
;B[ii]
;W[jf]
;B[rf]C[MyEyes [1d\]: b + awesomeness
]
;W[qg]
;B[sp]
;W[sq]
;B[sn]C[lieorrt: b+luck
MyEyes [1d\]: it's something like 4 points
lieorrt: b+c2
]
;W[an]
;B[am]C[Erstnick [2k\]: luck? why?
]
;W[ao]C[Kour [9k\]: yes lieorrt, we all know luck has so much to do with go.
]
;B[ni]
;W[nj]
;B[nk]
;W[oj]
;B[lh]
;W[mh]
;B[mi]
;W[kh]C[GrandYan [-\]: C2 in hex is 194 in decimal. B+194 seems a bit unlikely...
]
;B[ha]
;W[ja]C[Kour [9k\]: hehe
]
;B[ks]
;W[js]
;B[ck]C[lieorrt: what is resign in hex? is it possible?
]
;W[md]
;B[me]
;W[pe]C[GrandYan [-\]: That one, I don't know.
Stelianos [16k\]: b 2,5+
]
;B[oe]
;W[ei]
;B[fi]C[MyEyes [1d\]: Su Yang
Erstnick [2k\]: thanks for recording? celebrir
celebrir [1k\]: Not really
MyEyes [1d\]: did you cheer on him for me hannover? :D
Erstnick [2k\]: ah this guy JeffChang
MyEyes [1d\]: you are as bright es the color of what you write....
MyEyes [1d\]: *as
Erstnick [2k\]: was auch immer du damit sagen willst myeyes
lieorrt: aufwiedersehen hannaover danke bitte
Hannover08 [-\]: I spoke tho Yang Sung, and he sees C2 as the turning point for black.
Erstnick [2k\]: lol
lieorrt: yeah
lieorrt: he was lucky thats all
Erstnick [2k\]: oh you mean *white* c2 ?
Hannover08 [-\]: I did greet him.
Hannover08 [-\]: Yes. He said, black was behind before C2.
Erstnick [2k\]: i thought black c2
Kizumi888 [15k\]: no it was white
Erstnick [2k\]: maybe as second turning point
lieorrt: also can you ask him about j11?
Hannover08 [-\]: The third round will start arround 14:00
lieorrt: instead of attacking j8 he should have played in the bottom
Hannover08 [-\]: He analyses the game of another player now, I will not disturb them.
Erstnick [2k\]: also ich will jetz mal wissen ob der c3 anleger leben konnte
]
;W[ae]
;B[af]
;W[ad]
;B[np]
;W[op]
;B[io]
;W[ho]
;B[mp]
;W[da]
;B[dk]
;W[dl]
;B[sf]C[threedim [3k\]: hmmm looks more like 3.5 to me
Violence [?\]: B+5ish?
]
;W[ms]C[GrandYan [-\]: In SE we trust.
]
;B[he]
;W[sb]
;B[sc]
;W[qa]
;B[as]C[MyEyes [1d\]: lol
threedim [3k\]: huh
]
;W[aq]C[threedim [3k\]: in myself i count
threedim [3k\]: b+timewarp
]
(;B[sa]C[MyEyes [1d\]: Jeff FTW
lieorrt: what is ftw?
Violence [?\]: m11
GoNuts [2k\]: who is jeff?
]
;W[sh]
;B[sl]
;W[ri]C[GrandYan [-\]: m11 looks like a bigger ko...
Kour [9k\]: jeff is janne who is su yang
])
(;B[cr]
;W[sa]C[Oloril [5k\]: let's do the time warp again
threedim [3k\]: eh?!
miao [7d\]: o.o
tectonik: lol
Violence [?\]: um
basilika [2d\]: haha
Kour [9k\]: b c2??
silver2k4 [5d?\]: c2 good one
miao [7d\]: tsuji
basilika [2d\]: nice tesuji
lieorrt: wow w wins
Hannover08 [-\]: I made mistakes in recording the endgame.
tectonik: no mistake
Hannover08 [-\]: The players are  counting.
Kour [9k\]: ok.
MyEyes [1d\]: congratulations to jeff
silver2k4 [5d?\]: go back tu the other variation it was right
MyEyes [1d\]: from big nils :D
Violence [?\]: B+4.5 is my guess
threedim [3k\]: 3.5
GrandYan [-\]: C2
Erstnick [2k\]: ????
miao [7d\]: w+36
lieorrt: yes
celebrir [1k\]: of course
Hannover08 [-\]: Black wins with 2,5 Points victory for Black
miao [7d\]: o.o
Erstnick [2k\]: hannover08 how does the correct endgame look like?
miao [7d\]: hoe that
miao [7d\]: e2 dead
threedim [3k\]: miao: black didnt actually play c2
kmr [1k\]: C2 wasnt good move
dal [-\]: miao: it's wrong I guess :)
lieorrt: they are making any comments now?
GrandYan [-\]: c2 actually showed moral fibre.
Hannover08 [-\]: Won't be able to reconstruct, since they already counted.
kairos [-\]: thanks Hannover08 ^^
Erstnick [2k\]: who is hannover08?
GrandYan [-\]: Right. Thank you, Hannover08.
gohunter [2k\]: thank u
Midian [9k\]: thanks
celebrir [1k\]: thanks for the review
celebrir [1k\]: ^^°
Erstnick [2k\]: review??
MyEyes [1d\]: So Jeff basically won the tournament now
MyEyes [1d\]: as he won all strong opponents
celebrir [1k\]: You know what I wand to say^^°
Erstnick [2k\]: jeff who
]))))
