(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[4500]OT[20/300 Canadian]
GN[Hannover Messeturnier, Runde 5, Brett 1]PW[Yang Su (JeffChang)]PB[Christian Stodte]WR[5d]BR[4d]DT[2008-04-20]EV[Messe Turnier Hannover]RO[5]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Thorsten Arndt]
;B[pp]
;W[dd]
;B[dq]
;W[qd]
;B[cf]C[Erstnick [2k\]: die fangen schoneher an?
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;W[fc]
;B[ck]
;W[jq]
;B[od]C[Hannover08 [-\]: alle haben angefangen
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;W[ld]C[miao [7d\]: i don´t like w position
Hannover08 [-\]: why miao?
miao [7d\]: dunno
Hannover08 [-\]: ^^
Yujikun [-\]: ^^
Stelianos [16k\]: hannover08,was kostet denn das turnier
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;B[pg]C[Stelianos [16k\]: das erste mal
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;W[pd]C[Hannover08 [-\]: beim ersten turnier nix
Stelianos [16k\]: bei der uni?
Erstnick [2k\]: und wieviel leute spielen mit?
Erstnick [2k\]: messeturnier dacht ich
Hannover08 [-\]: über 80 leute
]
;B[oe]
;W[oc]
;B[nc]
;W[nd]
;B[mc]
;W[ne]
;B[pc]
;W[ob]
;B[pb]
;W[of]C[Striker [-\]: gibt es den nun nen zwischenstand?
Killermize [18k?\]: mal ne ganz dumme frage  zu welchem thema sind die meisten messen auf dennen spiele sind ?
yanhai [?\]: ah
Erstnick [2k\]: ist wohl alles joseki bisher?
yanhai [?\]: nein
Erstnick [2k\]: nein?
Yujikun [-\]: ne isses nicht.
NinBo [3k\]: die treppe läuft doch für w oder?
Hannover08 [-\]: this can't be joseki
Erstnick [2k\]: ich weiß was nein heisst
Hannover08 [-\]: jo
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;B[oa]
;W[pe]C[Erstnick [2k\]: oh
Erstnick [2k\]: game over
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;B[od]C[miao [7d\]: das sieht echt zu gut für w aus
Irgendwer [2d\]: Warum gibt sich JeffChang als 5d aus wenn er auf KGS 9d ist?
NinBo [3k\]: w braucht nicht mal rausnehmen
miao [7d\]: muss er
Striker [-\]: weil er chinesischer 5d is
Erstnick [2k\]: natürlich rausnehmen
Hannover08 [-\]: kgs ist virtuell und hier ist real
Striker [-\]: und sein rating is auch 5d
miao [7d\]: nach dem schwedischen rangsystem
batgirl [1d\]: kann man noch zu brett 2 umziehen?
Hannover08 [-\]: das ginge
Striker [-\]: außerdem muss er hochgestuft werden
Hannover08 [-\]: brett 2 ist noch nicht begonnen
Erstnick [2k\]: du willst umziehen batgirl?
oonicks [?\]: 018:/
batgirl [1d\]: ich bin schon umgezogen^^
Erstnick [2k\]: ungezogen vielleicht
]
;W[oe]
;B[nb]
;W[qb]
;B[kc]
;W[ic]C[jwc [-\]: Yang Su's EGF rating is 2588, so almost 6D
]
;B[qc]
;W[rc]
;B[od]
;W[rb]C[Suteishi [6d\]: id bet my money on janne
MyEyes [1d\]: that rating actually is 6d already
jwc [-\]: right
miao [7d\]: maybe he don´t know
Striker [-\]: maybe he don't care :P
jwc [-\]: sandbagger ;)
]
;B[kd]C[Hannover08 [-\]: the rang makes no difference here, they play all w/o handicap
Suteishi [6d\]: hmmm... Janne actually let B get mini-chinese?
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;W[qn]
;B[nq]
;W[gq]
;B[ql]C[Suteishi [6d\]: when i talked with him about it he said he almost always counters it. And when playing against me he did that too
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;W[qp]
;B[qq]C[MyEyes [1d\]: he will have a plan behind it I think :D
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(;W[rp])
(;W[rq]
;B[qo]
;W[rp]
;B[ro]
;W[po]
;B[rn]
;W[pq]
;B[op]
;W[pr]
;B[do]C[yanhai [?\]: overplay?
Javaness [-\]: D5 is an overplay?
Suteishi [6d\]: naa
Javaness [-\]: why doesn't anyone beat su yang?
Suteishi [6d\]: cause hes strong ;D
oiuztrzuio: Q6?
yanhai [?\]: ja
]
;W[pn]C[karasu [3d\]: jeff is strong..who can beat him?
oiuztrzuio: juhu
miao [7d\]: jin zou maybe
oiuztrzuio: he lost
Striker [-\]: he lost ^^
miao [7d\]: but he can win
Hannover08 [-\]: Jin zou hsa lost yesterday evening against him
Hannover08 [-\]: has*
dal [-\]: Should've won
miao [7d\]: the bin guy
Suteishi [6d\]: r7 and the shoulder hit L4 is there, np
Hallo [2k\]: nice description ^^
]
;B[qm]
;W[no]
;B[oo]
;W[on]
;B[nn]C[Erstnick [2k\]: is white attacking too hard?
miao [7d\]: pwnage
karasu [3d\]: bin?,he isnt strong enough to beat jeff.
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;W[om]C[dal [-\]: lol
miao [7d\]: sure he is
Suteishi [6d\]: bin is very strong
Hallo [2k\]: yep
Seeguu [3k\]: yes
Javaness [-\]: if he keeps entering at 5d he can't be that strong
]
;B[mo]
;W[nm]
;B[mn]C[Suteishi [6d\]: i don't like this result for W
oonicks [?\]: if he enters 7d noone else turns up?
MyEyes [1d\]: ah the guy who banned the whole china trip 07 :D
miao [7d\]: he won against fj and christoph gerlach
Erstnick [2k\]: suteishi you think o5 overplay?
Hallo [2k\]: does bin still live in Germany or did he move to poland?
Suteishi [6d\]: hmmm, hard to say. I'm not even that sure was it a good idea to connect the stones at Q6 that early
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;W[mm]C[miao [7d\]: dito
nodan [-\]: q6 seems a bit heavy now
oiuztrzuio: poland
Suteishi [6d\]: B thickness on lower side is very nice now, and can easily take advantage of G3/K3 group
Erstnick [2k\]: maybe he is a bit too sure about his playing after the thing in the upper right
Suteishi [6d\]: for example with K5 or J4
nodan [-\]: shouldn't w r10 ?
miao [7d\]: j4 too hard attack
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;B[pj]C[Suteishi [6d\]: was thinking a sequence like J4,k4 k6
Erstnick [2k\]: no he cant, nodan^^
Suteishi [6d\]: or just play k6
Suteishi [6d\]: k5 i mean
miao [7d\]: just k6 better
miao [7d\]: i know^^
Suteishi [6d\]: yea prolly, even proverb says, don't play A B C
Suteishi [6d\]: just play C
Suteishi [6d\]: ;)
miao [7d\]: lol
miao [7d\]: can w hane?
Suteishi [6d\]: at least can L6
miao [7d\]: i prefer hane then
Suteishi [6d\]: i think hane works
Erstnick [2k\]: someone should repair the clock
Suteishi [6d\]: hmm, i dunno, i would have played P10 move at K5 rather
Suteishi [6d\]: to try and get K5 in sente first
jwc [-\]: L5 possible?
Suteishi [6d\]: w or b?
miao [7d\]: not sure as w i wuld tenuki
globax [3d\]: m3 threat life base
nodan [-\]: it's legal^^
jwc [-\]: w
nodan [-\]: i like m3
miao [7d\]: otherwise bad result i think
Suteishi [6d\]: miao, true, you would attack the right group. Which forces B to run towards W weak group. 
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;W[km]C[globax [3d\]: l7 strong center, m3 strong bottom, which one bigger ?
globax [3d\]: ok, l7 :)
Suteishi [6d\]: K5
Erstnick [2k\]: defend weakest group first globax
miao [7d\]: i would attack q13
miao [7d\]: splitting attack somehow
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;B[lq]C[globax [3d\]: m3  not completely alive
batgirl [1d\]: q13 is worthless
Suteishi [6d\]: m3, i don't like it
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;W[rg]C[globax [3d\]: cause n2, so w k5 sente later
globax [3d\]: i think m3 slow, leaves bad aji at n2
globax [3d\]: i would have played k4
Suteishi [6d\]: yea well, just something to get out, and keep W groups seperated
globax [3d\]: to live sente or separate w
globax [3d\]: :)
Suteishi [6d\]: cause B can still make an attack later on both white groups if he seperates them
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;B[rh]
;W[qh]
;B[ri]C[globax [3d\]: :)
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;W[qg]C[Suteishi [6d\]: tenuki
globax [3d\]: k5 now
globax [3d\]: yes
oonicks [?\]: w better after r12
globax [3d\]: or c17
globax [3d\]: is h4 good ?
Suteishi [6d\]: taking the corner is not as big as it normally would be imo. As W already has defended the group at J17 
globax [3d\]: ok, thx
Suteishi [6d\]: can't really get an attack
globax [3d\]: so, h4?
yanhai [?\]: b16
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;B[jp]
;W[ip]
;B[jo]
;W[kq]
;B[lp]C[globax [3d\]: n2 aji still nasty if b enclosed
globax [3d\]: just j7 ?
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;W[nj]
;B[ef]
;W[so]C[Suteishi [6d\]: E14 not good imo
Suteishi [6d\]: C9 is low
oonicks [?\]: w agrees
Suteishi [6d\]: B16 + D12 would be a lot stronger
]
;B[sm]C[Suteishi [6d\]: weird choise to start making "moyo" when theres move like D10 available
Suteishi [6d\]: or E9, even the probe at D6 still there
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;W[rk]C[yanhai [?\]: s9?
Erstnick [2k\]: what is the purpose of this s9 and stuff?
Irrdan [5d\]: kill
lieorrt: kill?
oonicks [?\]: vital point
Striker [-\]: hungry
Erstnick [2k\]: but after black s8, how to continue
Morla [5d\]: vital point but just a probe
Irrdan [5d\]: t9
Irrdan [5d\]: perh
Erstnick [2k\]: maybe he wants to get r11 r10 in sente to strengthen
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: go jeff
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;B[qk]C[Irrdan [5d\]: looks alive hm?
lieorrt: b is from?
Erstnick [2k\]: i dont like R9 somehow
Hannover08 [-\]: really?
Javaness [-\]: white just s8
Irrdan [5d\]: i think s8 was enough to live
oonicks [?\]: s10?
lieorrt: b is german?
Irrdan [5d\]: y
lieorrt: kgs name?
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;W[rl]C[Hannover08 [-\]: i don't know
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;B[rm]
;W[qi]
;B[rj]
;W[sh]C[pinkfloyd [3k\]: big dead for b
Javaness [-\]: what black do
Erstnick [2k\]: short game
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: we get signal
Irrdan [5d\]: p9?
yanhai [?\]: p9?
Irrdan [5d\]: ^^
Hannover08 [-\]: ...
Erstnick [2k\]: p9 does work?
Irrdan [5d\]: perh
Erstnick [2k\]: weakness at r10
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;B[ok]C[Irrdan [5d\]: hm w cant q8?
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;W[mk]C[Fredda [7d\]: r10 sente
Tsche [3d\]: i can not find second eye
Morla [5d\]: q9 no eye
Fredda [7d\]: too easy game for w..
Tsche [3d\]: t11 or?
Fredda [7d\]: t11 r10
yanhai [?\]: t11 not work
Hannover08 [-\]: t9?
Erstnick [2k\]: same problem
Fredda [7d\]: t9 r10 :)
Irrdan [5d\]: b p10  is nothg?
yanhai [?\]: only one eye
Erstnick [2k\]: one eye doesnt live
Cannabinol [-\]: Over.
Morla [5d\]: 2 eyes doesnt see more then one...
zyphee [5k?\]: done
oonicks [?\]: still p9
oonicks [?\]: uh 10
Irrdan [5d\]: hmmm y loks dead
oonicks [?\]: least dead , w has to reply at p8 to stop life
Beard [8k\]: yeah, so at least he'd die in sente
zyphee [5k?\]: T 11
Hannover08 [-\]: b p8, w t10?
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: t10 would make it live, b will r9
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: t9
Hannover08 [-\]: ah, R10
lieorrt: y
zyphee [5k?\]: q8
Erstnick [2k\]: did christian give up and hannover08 just makes fun of us and waits? ;-P
Mo [2k\]: r10
oiuztrzuio: lol
Irrdan [5d\]: r9 better at s8 ?!
zyphee [5k?\]: q11
lieorrt: no r9 better than s9
Hannover08 [-\]: lol
Irrdan [5d\]: thx lieorrt
lieorrt: welcome
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: lieorrt is irony-impaired?
blueshoe [1k\]: r9 is losing move
Suteishi [6d\]: big mistake was to play E14
Hannover08 [-\]: 120 ppl waiting for ...
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;B[qj]
;W[pl]
;B[si]
;W[sk]C[blueshoe [1k\]: s8 lives
Irrdan [5d\]: e14 at c17 cash ...
Sarafsa [2d\]: hm b t9 instead r10 was alive?
globax [3d\]: res time ?
Erstnick [2k\]: this is nakade shape
Irrdan [5d\]: @ saraf t9 - r10
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;B[ml]C[Erstnick [2k\]: spannend
Sarafsa [2d\]: hm right still dead
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;W[ll]C[Erstnick [2k\]: b tries to trick
Cannabinol [-\]: tot, also langweilig.
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: not sure there was an obvious but wrong response to n8
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;B[cc]C[Erstnick [2k\]: maybe black continues because he doesnt know what to do in spare time
Tsche [3d\]: wer ist 1.?
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;W[cd]
;B[dc]C[Striker [-\]: su yang
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;W[bc]C[Tsche [3d\]: danke
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;B[bb]
;W[bd]C[WillBePro [4d\]: GO JEFF
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;B[ec]
;W[ed]
;B[fb]
;W[gb]C[Tsche [3d\]:  christian should resign 
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;B[eb]
;W[fd]
;B[ab]
;W[ie]
;B[le]
;W[io]
;B[hb]
;W[ib]
;B[gc]
;W[gd]
;B[ga]
;W[gf]C[Suteishi [6d\]: e14 looks even more stupid now
Suteishi [6d\]: than before
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;B[ni]
;W[mi]C[Warfreak2 [3d?\]: here we go again
Erstnick [2k\]: wow
Erstnick [2k\]: ablenkungstaktik *g*
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;B[hc]
;W[hd]C[Erstnick [2k\]: schwarz kriegt nie soviel punkte links wie weiß rechts hat
Hallo [2k\]: just kill h16  and b wins.. just that easy ^^
Striker [-\]: "easy" ^^
Erstnick [2k\]: this group is not thick enough
]
;B[fg]C[hloigh: B DIED!!!
Erstnick [2k\]: blitzmerker -.-
MyEyes [1d\]: ...
MyEyes [1d\]: B died 60 moves ago
TuNix [13k\]:  
hloigh: sorry, I am still beginner
Tsche [3d\]: c8 try
Erstnick [2k\]: thank you for explaining hloigh
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;W[hh]C[binohito [1k\]: f9
Erstnick [2k\]: after this attack with f13 i think the hane at b17 wasnt correct direction
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;B[jn]C[Warfreak2 [3d?\]: i disagree
Erstnick [2k\]: didnt white weakened his own group?
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;W[er]
;B[dr]
;W[eq]
;B[ep]
;W[fp]
;B[fo]
;W[go]C[oonicks [?\]: its not weak?
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;B[gn]
;W[hn]
;B[gm]C[Erstnick [2k\]: f13 was able to attack it
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: f13 not huge
Fredda [7d\]: w will kill o3 soon?
Erstnick [2k\]: how is the status of m3?
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: very alive
]
;W[gk]
;B[gi]C[Warfreak2 [3d?\]: i'd go f6
Erstnick [2k\]: h7 sente to kill?
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;W[fn]
;B[eo]
;W[hm]
;B[hl]C[Seeguu [3k\]: w+ komi
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;W[gl]C[Erstnick [2k\]: uh?
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;B[fm]C[Seeguu [3k\]: ok, w+ more or res x)
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;W[em]
;B[fl]
;W[fk]
;B[el]
;W[ek]
;B[dl]
;W[hi]C[Warfreak2 [3d?\]: where is your f13 now
Erstnick [2k\]: f8 mistake i believe
Erstnick [2k\]: made white so strong
Hannover08 [-\]: b resigned now
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: w gets strong either way
Hannover08 [-\]: w+res
Seeguu [3k\]: Yat
Kour [9k\]: thx hannover
Seeguu [3k\]: ta
Seeguu [3k\]: ;>
Striker [-\]: thx
Cyanure [4k?\]: tx 
kairos [-\]: thx
Seeguu [3k\]: thanks
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: so jeff has won 3/3?
Erstnick [2k\]: another game to be transmitted today?
Striker [-\]: 5 of 5
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: heh
Striker [-\]: ^^
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: jeff won all three games broadcast here
Striker [-\]: yes
Hannover08 [-\]: jeff 5:0
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: is he winning?
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: how are the other players doing?
Hannover08 [-\]: JeffChang is the winner of the tournament
lieorrt: of course winning
Seeguu [3k\]: :)
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: congratulate him from me :-D
lieorrt: what a question
jameswest [2d\]: n2 for white kill no?
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: i don't think so
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: n2 m2 o2 p2 looks ok
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: hmm
KingArthur [5k\]: then p3
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: then o4 of course
babal: d11
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: then n3 and r2 miai
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: if p1, then n3
KingArthur [5k\]: p2 in atari
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: get strong at reading
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: b r2 is atari, w captures, then b s2
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: and if you say w t2, i will laugh so hard
jameswest [2d\]: n3 for white after black capture
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: ?
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: give me your sequence
Kgss: white O4 first ?
Hannover08 [-\]: black says sorry for this game :)
Striker [-\]: ^^
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: jameswest, sequence?
Hannover08 [-\]: ok
Hannover08 [-\]: thanks for watching
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: thanks for broadcasting
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: (-:
Hannover08 [-\]: see you next year again
Hannover08 [-\]: ...hopefully with more high dans
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: hehe
Warfreak2 [3d?\]: jeff will win again :-P
Hoshiman [1d\]: weiß einer wie jin gerade steht??
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